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Attributes | |
ACN | 620277 |
Time | |
Date | 200406 |
Day | Sat |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : grk.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : grk.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 180 Skywagon |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 14700 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 620277 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | controller : approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport Airspace Structure Environmental Factor FAA |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airspace Structure | special use : p49.restricted |
Narrative:
Apparently flew into P49 expanded tfr not knowing it was expanded. I was advised by gray approach to turn to 270 degrees immediately and squawk abcd which I complied with immediately and exited the tfr. I would like to suggest that when the P49 tfr is expanded that it be noted on the AWOS. There are approximately 30 airports in this expanded tfr. Of course not all these airports have AWOS, but it would be very helpful if that information were included on AWOS. Also, a temporary sign stating the tfr is in effect could be posted at the departure point of each runway for the airports within the tfr. A program of this kind could save the secret service, the FAA, and the individual pilots a lot of grief. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was destined for mnz, 25 mi northwest of 05F. The expanded area of P49 was 30 NM from the center of the ranch. He stated that he normally calls FSS for any NOTAMS pertaining to P49. He was the 2ND aircraft to be turned away from the area by gray approach. The airport manager has a temporary solution: hanging a sign on the airport fence when the area is expanded. He feels that his idea of replacing the information on the AWOS is more practical than the signs by the runways. 05F has a new AWOS system that can be used for this purpose.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C180 ATP PLT FLIES INTO THE EXPANDED P49 AREA ON A VFR DEP TO THE NW OF 05F, TX.
Narrative: APPARENTLY FLEW INTO P49 EXPANDED TFR NOT KNOWING IT WAS EXPANDED. I WAS ADVISED BY GRAY APCH TO TURN TO 270 DEGS IMMEDIATELY AND SQUAWK ABCD WHICH I COMPLIED WITH IMMEDIATELY AND EXITED THE TFR. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WHEN THE P49 TFR IS EXPANDED THAT IT BE NOTED ON THE AWOS. THERE ARE APPROX 30 ARPTS IN THIS EXPANDED TFR. OF COURSE NOT ALL THESE ARPTS HAVE AWOS, BUT IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF THAT INFO WERE INCLUDED ON AWOS. ALSO, A TEMPORARY SIGN STATING THE TFR IS IN EFFECT COULD BE POSTED AT THE DEP POINT OF EACH RWY FOR THE ARPTS WITHIN THE TFR. A PROGRAM OF THIS KIND COULD SAVE THE SECRET SERVICE, THE FAA, AND THE INDIVIDUAL PLTS A LOT OF GRIEF. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS DESTINED FOR MNZ, 25 MI NW OF 05F. THE EXPANDED AREA OF P49 WAS 30 NM FROM THE CTR OF THE RANCH. HE STATED THAT HE NORMALLY CALLS FSS FOR ANY NOTAMS PERTAINING TO P49. HE WAS THE 2ND ACFT TO BE TURNED AWAY FROM THE AREA BY GRAY APCH. THE ARPT MGR HAS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION: HANGING A SIGN ON THE ARPT FENCE WHEN THE AREA IS EXPANDED. HE FEELS THAT HIS IDEA OF REPLACING THE INFO ON THE AWOS IS MORE PRACTICAL THAN THE SIGNS BY THE RWYS. 05F HAS A NEW AWOS SYSTEM THAT CAN BE USED FOR THIS PURPOSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.