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Attributes | |
ACN | 620567 |
Time | |
Date | 200406 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | controller : radar pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | controller radar : 4 flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 620894 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 620567 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Electric service panel door was reported open by another aircraft as we taxied into position and hold on runway 13 at lga. Arrs landing runway 22. Told tower we had to return to gate at far end of runway 13. Tower told us to taxi down runway 13 and hold short of double alpha. My mind set was to cross runway 22 (traffic was in sight approximately 2 mi out) then look for double alpha. Copilot was making a quick PA to let the passenger know we had to return to the gate. Tower started to say hold short, then mid sentence said to hurry across runway 22 and turn right on taxiway left. Traffic was still approximately 1 mi out. If you look at the 10-9 page for lga, double alpha is a hard turn to the right, approximately 135 degrees at the intersection of runways 13/22. Spoke to the lga tower supervisor, first to apologize, then to explain how hard it is to turn a widebody transport aircraft on such tight, narrow txwys. He said he appreciated the call, and no action would be taken. The signage on the airport for double alpha was off to the right, adjacent to taxiway P and not near runway 13. Next time I'll delay the PA to the passenger until clear of all runways. Supplemental information from acn 620894: I made a quick PA to let the passenger know we had to return to the gate and to stay in their seats. When I returned from the PA, the captain was responding to tower to hurry across runway 22 and turn right on taxiway left. The signage for double alpha is hard to see and farther from the runway than other taxiway signs. This led to the missing of the taxiway, and subsequent crossing of runway 22.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767-300 CREW HAD A RWY INCURSION AT LGA WHILE RETURNING TO GATE TO HAVE AN ELECTRICAL ACCESS DOOR CLOSED.
Narrative: ELECTRIC SVC PANEL DOOR WAS RPTED OPEN BY ANOTHER ACFT AS WE TAXIED INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 13 AT LGA. ARRS LNDG RWY 22. TOLD TWR WE HAD TO RETURN TO GATE AT FAR END OF RWY 13. TWR TOLD US TO TAXI DOWN RWY 13 AND HOLD SHORT OF DOUBLE ALPHA. MY MIND SET WAS TO CROSS RWY 22 (TFC WAS IN SIGHT APPROX 2 MI OUT) THEN LOOK FOR DOUBLE ALPHA. COPLT WAS MAKING A QUICK PA TO LET THE PAX KNOW WE HAD TO RETURN TO THE GATE. TWR STARTED TO SAY HOLD SHORT, THEN MID SENTENCE SAID TO HURRY ACROSS RWY 22 AND TURN R ON TXWY L. TFC WAS STILL APPROX 1 MI OUT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE 10-9 PAGE FOR LGA, DOUBLE ALPHA IS A HARD TURN TO THE R, APPROX 135 DEGS AT THE INTXN OF RWYS 13/22. SPOKE TO THE LGA TWR SUPVR, FIRST TO APOLOGIZE, THEN TO EXPLAIN HOW HARD IT IS TO TURN A WDB ACFT ON SUCH TIGHT, NARROW TXWYS. HE SAID HE APPRECIATED THE CALL, AND NO ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN. THE SIGNAGE ON THE ARPT FOR DOUBLE ALPHA WAS OFF TO THE R, ADJACENT TO TXWY P AND NOT NEAR RWY 13. NEXT TIME I'LL DELAY THE PA TO THE PAX UNTIL CLR OF ALL RWYS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 620894: I MADE A QUICK PA TO LET THE PAX KNOW WE HAD TO RETURN TO THE GATE AND TO STAY IN THEIR SEATS. WHEN I RETURNED FROM THE PA, THE CAPT WAS RESPONDING TO TWR TO HURRY ACROSS RWY 22 AND TURN R ON TXWY L. THE SIGNAGE FOR DOUBLE ALPHA IS HARD TO SEE AND FARTHER FROM THE RWY THAN OTHER TXWY SIGNS. THIS LED TO THE MISSING OF THE TXWY, AND SUBSEQUENT XING OF RWY 22.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.