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Attributes | |
ACN | 622508 |
Time | |
Date | 200406 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hpn.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2800 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors departure : vfr enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 42 flight time total : 1835 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 622508 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
I departed teb to the northeast maintaining at or below 1000 ft as instructed. As I approached the hudson river, I was handed off to ny approach who cleared me into the class B airspace with, 'climb and maintain 3500 ft.' as I climbed through 2800 ft, I was handed off to another sector. After I checked in, the controller instructed me, 'stop climb, left three sixty, traffic 12 O'clock heading (forgotten) at 3500 ft.' I interpreted this to mean 'make a full 360 degree turn to the left' and I did so. As I turned through heading 300 degrees or so, the controller asked my on-course heading, to which I responded, '060' (my desired course), whereupon, he said 'maintain northbound. I'll have you on-course shortly.' in retrospect, the controller might have meant, 'turn left to heading three six zero.' I'm still not sure. But I thought that the ambiguity between 'left 3-60' and 'left 3-6-0' was interesting. I always assume '3 sixty' is a turn amount, whereas '3 six zero' is a heading. I wonder if controllers have the same understanding and usage.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT DEPARTED TEB AND WAS CLRED INTO N90 CLASS B AIRSPACE. AFTER CONTACT WITH THE SECOND N90 CTLR, HE WAS INSTRUCTED TO EXECUTE A L 360 DEG, INSTEAD OF A HDG OF 3-6-0 IN N90 CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: I DEPARTED TEB TO THE NE MAINTAINING AT OR BELOW 1000 FT AS INSTRUCTED. AS I APCHED THE HUDSON RIVER, I WAS HANDED OFF TO NY APCH WHO CLRED ME INTO THE CLASS B AIRSPACE WITH, 'CLB AND MAINTAIN 3500 FT.' AS I CLBED THROUGH 2800 FT, I WAS HANDED OFF TO ANOTHER SECTOR. AFTER I CHKED IN, THE CTLR INSTRUCTED ME, 'STOP CLB, L THREE SIXTY, TFC 12 O'CLOCK HDG (FORGOTTEN) AT 3500 FT.' I INTERPRETED THIS TO MEAN 'MAKE A FULL 360 DEG TURN TO THE L' AND I DID SO. AS I TURNED THROUGH HDG 300 DEGS OR SO, THE CTLR ASKED MY ON-COURSE HDG, TO WHICH I RESPONDED, '060' (MY DESIRED COURSE), WHEREUPON, HE SAID 'MAINTAIN NBND. I'LL HAVE YOU ON-COURSE SHORTLY.' IN RETROSPECT, THE CTLR MIGHT HAVE MEANT, 'TURN L TO HDG THREE SIX ZERO.' I'M STILL NOT SURE. BUT I THOUGHT THAT THE AMBIGUITY BETWEEN 'L 3-60' AND 'L 3-6-0' WAS INTERESTING. I ALWAYS ASSUME '3 SIXTY' IS A TURN AMOUNT, WHEREAS '3 SIX ZERO' IS A HDG. I WONDER IF CTLRS HAVE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING AND USAGE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.