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Attributes | |
ACN | 626096 |
Time | |
Date | 200407 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : abq.airport |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 626096 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared to taxi from ramp to runway 21. Instructions were 'taxi runway 21 via taxiway C and taxiway east, hold short of runway 8/27.' after holding for landing aircraft, 'cleared to cross runway 8/26.' there are no runway hold lines for runway 21 on taxiway east. I was not instructed to hold short of runway 21 approach, so I taxied across this line. After I crossed, we realized that taxiway east does not cross the runway, but passes the end of runway 21 (on the north end). Although the chart was out and I was using it, I was looking for a 'runway hold' line which doesn't exist. I wound up taxiing on taxiway east almost past the runway before I could see it across cockpit on my right. There was no aircraft on approach to runway 21 and no conflict created. However, I feel that in this situation at abq that the controller should specify to either 'taxi into position runway 21' or to 'hold short of runway 21 approach.' technically, I don't think we violated or encroached the runway since we were on taxiway east, but it was a very uncomfortable feeling. The controller said it was 'no problem,' but better terminology could have clarified the controller's wish and avoided a potentially dangerous situation (had an aircraft been on approach to runway 21). It is my understanding that there is no requirement to hold short of runway approach lines unless instructed to do so by ground control.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A TECHNICAL RWY INCURSION RWY 21 WHEN A B737 PIC TAXIES ACROSS THE 'RWY APCH' LINES ON TXWY E AT ABQ.
Narrative: CLRED TO TAXI FROM RAMP TO RWY 21. INSTRUCTIONS WERE 'TAXI RWY 21 VIA TXWY C AND TXWY E, HOLD SHORT OF RWY 8/27.' AFTER HOLDING FOR LNDG ACFT, 'CLRED TO CROSS RWY 8/26.' THERE ARE NO RWY HOLD LINES FOR RWY 21 ON TXWY E. I WAS NOT INSTRUCTED TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 21 APCH, SO I TAXIED ACROSS THIS LINE. AFTER I CROSSED, WE REALIZED THAT TXWY E DOES NOT CROSS THE RWY, BUT PASSES THE END OF RWY 21 (ON THE N END). ALTHOUGH THE CHART WAS OUT AND I WAS USING IT, I WAS LOOKING FOR A 'RWY HOLD' LINE WHICH DOESN'T EXIST. I WOUND UP TAXIING ON TXWY E ALMOST PAST THE RWY BEFORE I COULD SEE IT ACROSS COCKPIT ON MY R. THERE WAS NO ACFT ON APCH TO RWY 21 AND NO CONFLICT CREATED. HOWEVER, I FEEL THAT IN THIS SIT AT ABQ THAT THE CTLR SHOULD SPECIFY TO EITHER 'TAXI INTO POS RWY 21' OR TO 'HOLD SHORT OF RWY 21 APCH.' TECHNICALLY, I DON'T THINK WE VIOLATED OR ENCROACHED THE RWY SINCE WE WERE ON TXWY E, BUT IT WAS A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FEELING. THE CTLR SAID IT WAS 'NO PROB,' BUT BETTER TERMINOLOGY COULD HAVE CLARIFIED THE CTLR'S WISH AND AVOIDED A POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SIT (HAD AN ACFT BEEN ON APCH TO RWY 21). IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY APCH LINES UNLESS INSTRUCTED TO DO SO BY GND CTL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.