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Attributes | |
ACN | 626797 |
Time | |
Date | 200407 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lgb.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : gri.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 1600 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 626797 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : ground |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
2 minor problems, no violation, no near miss, no runway incursion. Taxi difficulties and lgb are one thing in the same, knowing this I had the runway diagram on yoke. Taxi from the FBO to runway 25L at taxiway D intersection for takeoff. Plate was reviewed. Simple except progressive instructions were required due to taxiway D at runway 25L not marked. If you look at the plate taxiway D and runway 34R at the east end of taxiway F, the expanse of pavement here is unmarked, with such close proximity to runway 30 it is a busy place. Is it possible to mark this more clearly? Next time I'll know, but I couldn't have been better prepared. Clearance delivery instructed me to depart runway 25L at taxiway D, depart east to the highway 91/605 interchange at or below 2500 ft MSL. The problem is if I turn downwind on runway 25L to the east as instructed I will not end up at the 91/605 interchange due to this confusion I requested takeoff clearance left downwind departure which would have sent me east as instructed. Once airborne I was first instructed to do a left 270 degrees, then a right turn to a heading of northeast which did put me over the 91/605. The problem is that I would have preferred more specific instruction from clearance delivery. I normally fly IFR to avoid these problems yet on a pristine summer night I thought this unnecessary. Maybe from flying IFR so much I expect specific instructions. I am a CFI and can't imagine how a low time pilot might handle this situation. I can fly the airplane any way they want, but I need to know.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CFI RATED PLT OF C172 IS FRUSTRATED WITH CONFUSING CLRNCS AND INSTRUCTIONS FROM LGB TWR.
Narrative: 2 MINOR PROBS, NO VIOLATION, NO NEAR MISS, NO RWY INCURSION. TAXI DIFFICULTIES AND LGB ARE ONE THING IN THE SAME, KNOWING THIS I HAD THE RWY DIAGRAM ON YOKE. TAXI FROM THE FBO TO RWY 25L AT TXWY D INTXN FOR TKOF. PLATE WAS REVIEWED. SIMPLE EXCEPT PROGRESSIVE INSTRUCTIONS WERE REQUIRED DUE TO TXWY D AT RWY 25L NOT MARKED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLATE TXWY D AND RWY 34R AT THE E END OF TXWY F, THE EXPANSE OF PAVEMENT HERE IS UNMARKED, WITH SUCH CLOSE PROX TO RWY 30 IT IS A BUSY PLACE. IS IT POSSIBLE TO MARK THIS MORE CLRLY? NEXT TIME I'LL KNOW, BUT I COULDN'T HAVE BEEN BETTER PREPARED. CLRNC DELIVERY INSTRUCTED ME TO DEPART RWY 25L AT TXWY D, DEPART E TO THE HIGHWAY 91/605 INTERCHANGE AT OR BELOW 2500 FT MSL. THE PROB IS IF I TURN DOWNWIND ON RWY 25L TO THE E AS INSTRUCTED I WILL NOT END UP AT THE 91/605 INTERCHANGE DUE TO THIS CONFUSION I REQUESTED TKOF CLRNC L DOWNWIND DEP WHICH WOULD HAVE SENT ME E AS INSTRUCTED. ONCE AIRBORNE I WAS FIRST INSTRUCTED TO DO A L 270 DEGS, THEN A R TURN TO A HDG OF NE WHICH DID PUT ME OVER THE 91/605. THE PROB IS THAT I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED MORE SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION FROM CLRNC DELIVERY. I NORMALLY FLY IFR TO AVOID THESE PROBS YET ON A PRISTINE SUMMER NIGHT I THOUGHT THIS UNNECESSARY. MAYBE FROM FLYING IFR SO MUCH I EXPECT SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS. I AM A CFI AND CAN'T IMAGINE HOW A LOW TIME PLT MIGHT HANDLE THIS SIT. I CAN FLY THE AIRPLANE ANY WAY THEY WANT, BUT I NEED TO KNOW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.