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C560 crew departs dts VFR and upon requesting IFR clearance from vps approach are informed that a clearance is required to depart the airport.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 631537 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200409 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dts.airport |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 23 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | military facility : vps.milfac |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Citation V |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure : vfr |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 631537 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar/mode c other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departing dts in VFR conditions, we contacted eglin approach to pick up an IFR flight plan to sgr. Upon contact, eglin approach informed us that we needed a clearance on the ground to depart dts from eglin clearance frequency, VFR or IFR. The controller also stated that there were '2 big, red signs' on the taxiway informing pilots of the procedures for departure. I, as captain, never saw these signs. In addition, there were no procedures listed on the airport diagram plate, commercial chart or listed in the NOTAMS. Several factors could have prevented this situation: hurricane ivan could have blown the signs down leaving nothing to inform pilots. If procedures were posted on the commercial chart or notamed, we would have been informed of the procedures and would have complied.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C560 CREW DEPARTS DTS VFR AND UPON REQUESTING IFR CLRNC FROM VPS APCH ARE INFORMED THAT A CLRNC IS REQUIRED TO DEPART THE ARPT.
Narrative: DEPARTING DTS IN VFR CONDITIONS, WE CONTACTED EGLIN APCH TO PICK UP AN IFR FLT PLAN TO SGR. UPON CONTACT, EGLIN APCH INFORMED US THAT WE NEEDED A CLRNC ON THE GND TO DEPART DTS FROM EGLIN CLRNC FREQ, VFR OR IFR. THE CTLR ALSO STATED THAT THERE WERE '2 BIG, RED SIGNS' ON THE TXWY INFORMING PLTS OF THE PROCS FOR DEP. I, AS CAPT, NEVER SAW THESE SIGNS. IN ADDITION, THERE WERE NO PROCS LISTED ON THE ARPT DIAGRAM PLATE, COMMERCIAL CHART OR LISTED IN THE NOTAMS. SEVERAL FACTORS COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS SIT: HURRICANE IVAN COULD HAVE BLOWN THE SIGNS DOWN LEAVING NOTHING TO INFORM PLTS. IF PROCS WERE POSTED ON THE COMMERCIAL CHART OR NOTAMED, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THE PROCS AND WOULD HAVE COMPLIED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.