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A B767 flight crew thought that they were told to disregard the 1 pt 5 DME turn. After departure, jfk tower asked if they used the 1 pt 5 DME to turn.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 632285 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200409 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : jfk.vor |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 600 agl bound upper : 800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | Fog Rain |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : jfk.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| ASRS Report | 632285 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 632426 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Takeoff clearance was to disregard the 1.5 DME to turn out. 4 aircraft in front of us were told to disregard the 1.5 DME for the turn out. We both thought that tower told us to disregard the 1.5 DME. WX was 200 ft overcast, 3500 ft RVR. After takeoff at about 600-800 ft AGL I started a slow right turn to 100 degrees. Due to the field placement of jfk VOR we were at about 1.5 DME, but we did not specifically rely on the 1.5 DME for the turn. We were approximately 1.5 DME when we turned. Climbing out jfk asked if we turned at the 1.5 DME. We told tower that we thought the clearance was to disregard. We did not prolong the conversation due to the WX, but it was very distracting. Tower said not to worry about it. However, we realized that even though we did not specifically use the 1.5 DME, we turned at approximately 1.5 DME to a heading of 100 degrees.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767 FLT CREW THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE TOLD TO DISREGARD THE 1 PT 5 DME TURN. AFTER DEP, JFK TWR ASKED IF THEY USED THE 1 PT 5 DME TO TURN.
Narrative: TKOF CLRNC WAS TO DISREGARD THE 1.5 DME TO TURN OUT. 4 ACFT IN FRONT OF US WERE TOLD TO DISREGARD THE 1.5 DME FOR THE TURN OUT. WE BOTH THOUGHT THAT TWR TOLD US TO DISREGARD THE 1.5 DME. WX WAS 200 FT OVCST, 3500 FT RVR. AFTER TKOF AT ABOUT 600-800 FT AGL I STARTED A SLOW R TURN TO 100 DEGS. DUE TO THE FIELD PLACEMENT OF JFK VOR WE WERE AT ABOUT 1.5 DME, BUT WE DID NOT SPECIFICALLY RELY ON THE 1.5 DME FOR THE TURN. WE WERE APPROX 1.5 DME WHEN WE TURNED. CLBING OUT JFK ASKED IF WE TURNED AT THE 1.5 DME. WE TOLD TWR THAT WE THOUGHT THE CLRNC WAS TO DISREGARD. WE DID NOT PROLONG THE CONVERSATION DUE TO THE WX, BUT IT WAS VERY DISTRACTING. TWR SAID NOT TO WORRY ABOUT IT. HOWEVER, WE REALIZED THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DID NOT SPECIFICALLY USE THE 1.5 DME, WE TURNED AT APPROX 1.5 DME TO A HDG OF 100 DEGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.