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Attributes | |
ACN | 633485 |
Time | |
Date | 200409 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bfl.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 8500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bfl.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5100 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 633485 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
While descending into bakersfield out of approximately 8500 ft on an IFR flight plan, the controller had us turn left to a heading of 120 degrees or approximately 30 degrees left for traffic. After completing the turn, we saw traffic pop up on our TCASII display at our 12 O'clock position and 400 ft below us. We received a traffic alert from our TCASII. Then we received an RA and command to 'descend' then 'climb.' I responded by descending at a higher rate, then tried to climb. Then the TCASII reported clear of conflict. We never saw the aircraft visually. We later found out this was a military aircraft. They said our closure rate was 900+ KTS. I was indicating 230 KTS. Maybe the controller saw a different picture on his radar scope, or at those speeds, if the military aircraft made a turn it didn't show on the controller's radar that quickly. With the information he had, he must have thought this was the right way for us to turn to stay clear.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IFR CPR ACFT EXPERIENCED TCASII RA AT 8500 FT WITH MIL ACFT DURING DSCNT INTO BFL.
Narrative: WHILE DSNDING INTO BAKERSFIELD OUT OF APPROX 8500 FT ON AN IFR FLT PLAN, THE CTLR HAD US TURN L TO A HDG OF 120 DEGS OR APPROX 30 DEGS L FOR TFC. AFTER COMPLETING THE TURN, WE SAW TFC POP UP ON OUR TCASII DISPLAY AT OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS AND 400 FT BELOW US. WE RECEIVED A TFC ALERT FROM OUR TCASII. THEN WE RECEIVED AN RA AND COMMAND TO 'DSND' THEN 'CLB.' I RESPONDED BY DSNDING AT A HIGHER RATE, THEN TRIED TO CLB. THEN THE TCASII RPTED CLR OF CONFLICT. WE NEVER SAW THE ACFT VISUALLY. WE LATER FOUND OUT THIS WAS A MIL ACFT. THEY SAID OUR CLOSURE RATE WAS 900+ KTS. I WAS INDICATING 230 KTS. MAYBE THE CTLR SAW A DIFFERENT PICTURE ON HIS RADAR SCOPE, OR AT THOSE SPDS, IF THE MIL ACFT MADE A TURN IT DIDN'T SHOW ON THE CTLR'S RADAR THAT QUICKLY. WITH THE INFO HE HAD, HE MUST HAVE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE RIGHT WAY FOR US TO TURN TO STAY CLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.