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Attributes | |
ACN | 637129 |
Time | |
Date | 200411 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : dpk.vor |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 900 msl bound upper : 2900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : frg.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : frg.tower |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 2300 flight time type : 1900 |
ASRS Report | 637129 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was landing at frg. I called frg tower at northport stacks and was told to report 1 mi north of dpk VOR. At 1.5 mi north of dpk, tower called me and instructed me to turn west after crossing long island express and follow a cessna in. Upon turning west I saw a cessna ahead and below my position and informed frg tower that I had traffic. I then saw a low wing aircraft heading east at my 11 O'clock position about 200-300 ft. I executed a descending right turn and the other aircraft passed by less than 200 ft. I don't believe the other pilot ever saw me. I was about 7 NM for the entry to the frg traffic pattern runway 32 when this occurred. I informed the controller of the near midair collision and his reply was that I reported having traffic. I then replied that my traffic was a high wing cessna and not a low wing aircraft. His reply was that the cessna was ahead and 600 ft below me and that I was outside class D airspace. The controller also stated that he had instructed me to descend to pattern altitude (which if he had I didn't hear) which would not be the norm so far from the airport. The controller did ask my altitude twice before this happened and I responded 3000 ft and later 2900 ft. The controller then stated that he didn't have control over aircraft departing frg. Runway 32 was in use at the time. The standard departure for runway 32 at frg is to not turn east until north of the long island expressway. Both aircraft were south of the long island expressway when this occurred. Had the other aircraft been north of the long island expressway before turning east, this would not have occurred. Had the controller called out the other aircraft, this would not have occurred. There were 2 other pilots in my aircraft when this took place.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC BTWN 2 PA28'S, 1 ARR FRG, 1 DEP FRG, AT 2900 FT 1 NM W OF THE VOR AT DPK.
Narrative: I WAS LNDG AT FRG. I CALLED FRG TWR AT NORTHPORT STACKS AND WAS TOLD TO RPT 1 MI N OF DPK VOR. AT 1.5 MI N OF DPK, TWR CALLED ME AND INSTRUCTED ME TO TURN W AFTER XING LONG ISLAND EXPRESS AND FOLLOW A CESSNA IN. UPON TURNING W I SAW A CESSNA AHEAD AND BELOW MY POS AND INFORMED FRG TWR THAT I HAD TFC. I THEN SAW A LOW WING ACFT HDG E AT MY 11 O'CLOCK POS ABOUT 200-300 FT. I EXECUTED A DSNDING R TURN AND THE OTHER ACFT PASSED BY LESS THAN 200 FT. I DON'T BELIEVE THE OTHER PLT EVER SAW ME. I WAS ABOUT 7 NM FOR THE ENTRY TO THE FRG TFC PATTERN RWY 32 WHEN THIS OCCURRED. I INFORMED THE CTLR OF THE NMAC AND HIS REPLY WAS THAT I RPTED HAVING TFC. I THEN REPLIED THAT MY TFC WAS A HIGH WING CESSNA AND NOT A LOW WING ACFT. HIS REPLY WAS THAT THE CESSNA WAS AHEAD AND 600 FT BELOW ME AND THAT I WAS OUTSIDE CLASS D AIRSPACE. THE CTLR ALSO STATED THAT HE HAD INSTRUCTED ME TO DSND TO PATTERN ALT (WHICH IF HE HAD I DIDN'T HEAR) WHICH WOULD NOT BE THE NORM SO FAR FROM THE ARPT. THE CTLR DID ASK MY ALT TWICE BEFORE THIS HAPPENED AND I RESPONDED 3000 FT AND LATER 2900 FT. THE CTLR THEN STATED THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE CTL OVER ACFT DEPARTING FRG. RWY 32 WAS IN USE AT THE TIME. THE STANDARD DEP FOR RWY 32 AT FRG IS TO NOT TURN E UNTIL N OF THE LONG ISLAND EXPRESSWAY. BOTH ACFT WERE S OF THE LONG ISLAND EXPRESSWAY WHEN THIS OCCURRED. HAD THE OTHER ACFT BEEN N OF THE LONG ISLAND EXPRESSWAY BEFORE TURNING E, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED. HAD THE CTLR CALLED OUT THE OTHER ACFT, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED. THERE WERE 2 OTHER PLTS IN MY ACFT WHEN THIS TOOK PLACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.