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Attributes | |
ACN | 637297 |
Time | |
Date | 200411 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bos.airport |
State Reference | MA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1900 |
ASRS Report | 637297 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At boston, I was issued the clearance to taxi to runway 4R. After arriving at the runway 4R hold short line, I set the parking brake and awaiting further instructions, anticipating being issued a takeoff clearance. I was then issued the clearance to proceed 'to the visual hold point.' after clearing the short final approach course, I proceeded onto the runway to the visual hold point where there used to be a sign to the left of the runway indicating the point to which aircraft should taxi up to in order to begin the takeoff run. I could not spot that sign as it was unlit. I set the parking brake while in the takeoff position and a few seconds later I received a takeoff clearance. First off, the sign on the runway (if it is still there) should've been lit. If the sign is no longer there, the clearance to 'proceed to the visual hold point' is very deceiving in that it leads an aircraft (while already holding short of the runway) to some point on the actual runway surface since that is the next anticipated command awaited from the tower. After speaking with the tower controller, who advised me that most aircraft confuse the ILS hold short line as the runway hold short line and that's why they issue the 'proceed to the visual hold point' language. My concern is runway incursions and how the command to 'proceed to the visual hold point' leads a pilot already holding short of the runway to another point on the runway surface which may or may not be lit or still an active point.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 DEP FROM RWY 4R AT BOS ENTERED RWY AFTER CONFUSION REGARDING HOLD LINE LOCATIONS AND ATC CLRNC RECEIVED.
Narrative: AT BOSTON, I WAS ISSUED THE CLRNC TO TAXI TO RWY 4R. AFTER ARRIVING AT THE RWY 4R HOLD SHORT LINE, I SET THE PARKING BRAKE AND AWAITING FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS, ANTICIPATING BEING ISSUED A TKOF CLRNC. I WAS THEN ISSUED THE CLRNC TO PROCEED 'TO THE VISUAL HOLD POINT.' AFTER CLRING THE SHORT FINAL APCH COURSE, I PROCEEDED ONTO THE RWY TO THE VISUAL HOLD POINT WHERE THERE USED TO BE A SIGN TO THE L OF THE RWY INDICATING THE POINT TO WHICH ACFT SHOULD TAXI UP TO IN ORDER TO BEGIN THE TKOF RUN. I COULD NOT SPOT THAT SIGN AS IT WAS UNLIT. I SET THE PARKING BRAKE WHILE IN THE TKOF POS AND A FEW SECONDS LATER I RECEIVED A TKOF CLRNC. FIRST OFF, THE SIGN ON THE RWY (IF IT IS STILL THERE) SHOULD'VE BEEN LIT. IF THE SIGN IS NO LONGER THERE, THE CLRNC TO 'PROCEED TO THE VISUAL HOLD POINT' IS VERY DECEIVING IN THAT IT LEADS AN ACFT (WHILE ALREADY HOLDING SHORT OF THE RWY) TO SOME POINT ON THE ACTUAL RWY SURFACE SINCE THAT IS THE NEXT ANTICIPATED COMMAND AWAITED FROM THE TWR. AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE TWR CTLR, WHO ADVISED ME THAT MOST ACFT CONFUSE THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE AS THE RWY HOLD SHORT LINE AND THAT'S WHY THEY ISSUE THE 'PROCEED TO THE VISUAL HOLD POINT' LANGUAGE. MY CONCERN IS RWY INCURSIONS AND HOW THE COMMAND TO 'PROCEED TO THE VISUAL HOLD POINT' LEADS A PLT ALREADY HOLDING SHORT OF THE RWY TO ANOTHER POINT ON THE RWY SURFACE WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE LIT OR STILL AN ACTIVE POINT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.