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Attributes | |
ACN | 637978 |
Time | |
Date | 200411 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dal.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon tower : hnl.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Make Model Name | MU-2 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Qualification | controller : radar controller : military |
Experience | controller military : 8 controller radar : 26 |
ASRS Report | 637978 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : conflict alert other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
2 departures off love field, north flow. The MU2 off runway 31R was turned to a 350 degree heading. The B727 off of runway 31L on the SID. The SID states at 5.5 DME turn right heading 010 degrees. The B727 did so and turned toward the MU2. It is a new heading on the SID to ensure separation from dfw departures, but at the same time it also turns back towards the propeller departure. The MU2 was climbing to 4000 ft, and the B727 was climbing to 8000 ft. The MU2 was outclbing the B727. When the B727 started his turn, it didn't look good to me and I turned him back to the northwest. The MU2 was turned to the northeast. It was a little busy, the conflict alert went off, and I'm not sure if we lost separation or not. My point is, if you change the headings for the jets, you should change the heading for the propellers also. I think the SID for the propellers states -- at 1.1 DME turn right heading 350 degrees.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: D10 CTLR EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING DEP PROCS FROM DAL THAT MAY NOT BE PROCEDURALLY SEPARATED.
Narrative: 2 DEPS OFF LOVE FIELD, N FLOW. THE MU2 OFF RWY 31R WAS TURNED TO A 350 DEG HDG. THE B727 OFF OF RWY 31L ON THE SID. THE SID STATES AT 5.5 DME TURN R HDG 010 DEGS. THE B727 DID SO AND TURNED TOWARD THE MU2. IT IS A NEW HDG ON THE SID TO ENSURE SEPARATION FROM DFW DEPS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT ALSO TURNS BACK TOWARDS THE PROP DEP. THE MU2 WAS CLBING TO 4000 FT, AND THE B727 WAS CLBING TO 8000 FT. THE MU2 WAS OUTCLBING THE B727. WHEN THE B727 STARTED HIS TURN, IT DIDN'T LOOK GOOD TO ME AND I TURNED HIM BACK TO THE NW. THE MU2 WAS TURNED TO THE NE. IT WAS A LITTLE BUSY, THE CONFLICT ALERT WENT OFF, AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE LOST SEPARATION OR NOT. MY POINT IS, IF YOU CHANGE THE HDGS FOR THE JETS, YOU SHOULD CHANGE THE HDG FOR THE PROPS ALSO. I THINK THE SID FOR THE PROPS STATES -- AT 1.1 DME TURN R HDG 350 DEGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.