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Attributes | |
ACN | 641470 |
Time | |
Date | 200412 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ont.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ont.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 8l ils other localizer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision approach other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 641470 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were flying aircraft X from den to ont on dec/tue/04. After flying the ziggy 3 arrival in IFR conditions with moderate to heavy precipitation and light icing, we were handed off to ont tower. I called the ont tower when we were just inside of the final approach facsimile 'narod.' the captain was the pilot flying. At that time we could just barely see the runway due to heavy rain. The tower controller instructed us to sidestep to runway 8R. I said to the captain, 'I don't know, what do you want to do.' he said, 'no, let's stay with runway 8L.' I told the tower controller we were unable to sidestep. The tower controller said, 'make some wide s-turns, no, make a left 360.' we looked to the left and saw nothing but a black hole due to low clouds obscuring the mountains. Again, I told the tower controller 'unable.' when we got down lower, the captain said, 'I can see it good enough now.' I told the tower controller, 'we can see the runway good enough to sidestep now.' he cleared us to land on runway 8R. We landed without incident. As soon as we took the sidestep, the tower controller cleared other aircraft Y for takeoff on runway 8L. When we landed we asked why he had asked us to do a 360 on final just to let someone else takeoff? The tower controller said that it was his discretion and that he could do whatever he wanted. I asked for the tower phone number and he gave it to me and he said that he expected a call. After we shut down I called the tower to express my dismay for what he tried to do to us. I could not get a word out. The first thing he said to me was (this is an exact quote), 'what the hell is wrong with you, you @$&*%#^ *&$%#$*!' he said something to the effect that, 'you'll do what I tell you to do.' he then asked for my name and I said, 'if you want my name call the company.' he then called me a '@$&*%#^ *&$%#$*!' several more times. This person was not able to carry on a rational conversation so I hung up the phone, said goodbye to the passenger and went home. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter was more concerned regarding the ATC issued turn given the WX conditions than he was about the controller's comments and attitude. The reporter indicated the company had contacted the facility and discussed the incident with management personnel.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A320 LNDG IN ONT EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING ATC INSTRUCTIONS WHILE ON SHORT FINAL WITH MIN VISIBILITY AND SUBSEQUENT PHONE CONVERSATION (S) WITH TWR CTLR.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING ACFT X FROM DEN TO ONT ON DEC/TUE/04. AFTER FLYING THE ZIGGY 3 ARR IN IFR CONDITIONS WITH MODERATE TO HEAVY PRECIPITATION AND LIGHT ICING, WE WERE HANDED OFF TO ONT TWR. I CALLED THE ONT TWR WHEN WE WERE JUST INSIDE OF THE FINAL APCH FAX 'NAROD.' THE CAPT WAS THE PLT FLYING. AT THAT TIME WE COULD JUST BARELY SEE THE RWY DUE TO HEAVY RAIN. THE TWR CTLR INSTRUCTED US TO SIDESTEP TO RWY 8R. I SAID TO THE CAPT, 'I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO.' HE SAID, 'NO, LET'S STAY WITH RWY 8L.' I TOLD THE TWR CTLR WE WERE UNABLE TO SIDESTEP. THE TWR CTLR SAID, 'MAKE SOME WIDE S-TURNS, NO, MAKE A L 360.' WE LOOKED TO THE L AND SAW NOTHING BUT A BLACK HOLE DUE TO LOW CLOUDS OBSCURING THE MOUNTAINS. AGAIN, I TOLD THE TWR CTLR 'UNABLE.' WHEN WE GOT DOWN LOWER, THE CAPT SAID, 'I CAN SEE IT GOOD ENOUGH NOW.' I TOLD THE TWR CTLR, 'WE CAN SEE THE RWY GOOD ENOUGH TO SIDESTEP NOW.' HE CLRED US TO LAND ON RWY 8R. WE LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. AS SOON AS WE TOOK THE SIDESTEP, THE TWR CTLR CLRED OTHER ACFT Y FOR TKOF ON RWY 8L. WHEN WE LANDED WE ASKED WHY HE HAD ASKED US TO DO A 360 ON FINAL JUST TO LET SOMEONE ELSE TKOF? THE TWR CTLR SAID THAT IT WAS HIS DISCRETION AND THAT HE COULD DO WHATEVER HE WANTED. I ASKED FOR THE TWR PHONE NUMBER AND HE GAVE IT TO ME AND HE SAID THAT HE EXPECTED A CALL. AFTER WE SHUT DOWN I CALLED THE TWR TO EXPRESS MY DISMAY FOR WHAT HE TRIED TO DO TO US. I COULD NOT GET A WORD OUT. THE FIRST THING HE SAID TO ME WAS (THIS IS AN EXACT QUOTE), 'WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU @$&*%#^ *&$%#$*!' HE SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT, 'YOU'LL DO WHAT I TELL YOU TO DO.' HE THEN ASKED FOR MY NAME AND I SAID, 'IF YOU WANT MY NAME CALL THE COMPANY.' HE THEN CALLED ME A '@$&*%#^ *&$%#$*!' SEVERAL MORE TIMES. THIS PERSON WAS NOT ABLE TO CARRY ON A RATIONAL CONVERSATION SO I HUNG UP THE PHONE, SAID GOODBYE TO THE PAX AND WENT HOME. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR WAS MORE CONCERNED REGARDING THE ATC ISSUED TURN GIVEN THE WX CONDITIONS THAN HE WAS ABOUT THE CTLR'S COMMENTS AND ATTITUDE. THE RPTR INDICATED THE COMPANY HAD CONTACTED THE FACILITY AND DISCUSSED THE INCIDENT WITH MANAGEMENT PERSONNEL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.