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Flight instructor and student pilot are unable to receive IFR clearance on ground at frg. Depart in 3 mi visibility and obtain clearance. Are advised operation was improper IFR in VMC.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 646373 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200502 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : frg.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl single value : 300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 900 flight time type : 900 |
| ASRS Report | 646373 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Weather Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
This report is regarding our flight operations at republic airport. I and my student filed an IFR flight plan from farmingdale to trenton. We were ready to copy our IFR clearance. We contacted the clearance delivery frequency on 128.25; without a response. Then we tried 125.70 (ny departure) with no result at all; so we decided to taxi the plane towards the run-up area close to the active runway 32. My student called on the frequency 118.80 that we were taxiing out from the ramp to the active runway. However; we did not hear anybody on that frequency so we proceeded taxiing the plane from the ramp using taxiway a swbound. I continued my taxi to the run up area next to runway 32. Then we tried again to contact clearance delivery and approach frequencys on 128.25 and 125.70 without any answer. The WX at farmingdale at that time was 3 mi visibility. We decided to take off and as soon as we reached 300 ft; we contacted new york approach and we asked for our clearance. The controller gave us a squawk code and a phone number to call when we land. We got our clearance and we proceeded with our flight. When we landed in trenton; I called the number as I was instructed. The person that attended the phone (new york TRACON) stated that we were not supposed to take off without clearance in IMC WX and I told her that I tried to call the above mentioned frequencys without any luck. I called departure frequency as soon as we took off.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT PLT ARE UNABLE TO RECEIVE IFR CLRNC ON GND AT FRG. DEPART IN 3 MI VISIBILITY AND OBTAIN CLRNC. ARE ADVISED OP WAS IMPROPER IFR IN VMC.
Narrative: THIS RPT IS REGARDING OUR FLT OPS AT REPUBLIC ARPT. I AND MY STUDENT FILED AN IFR FLT PLAN FROM FARMINGDALE TO TRENTON. WE WERE READY TO COPY OUR IFR CLRNC. WE CONTACTED THE CLRNC DELIVERY FREQ ON 128.25; WITHOUT A RESPONSE. THEN WE TRIED 125.70 (NY DEP) WITH NO RESULT AT ALL; SO WE DECIDED TO TAXI THE PLANE TOWARDS THE RUN-UP AREA CLOSE TO THE ACTIVE RWY 32. MY STUDENT CALLED ON THE FREQ 118.80 THAT WE WERE TAXIING OUT FROM THE RAMP TO THE ACTIVE RWY. HOWEVER; WE DID NOT HEAR ANYBODY ON THAT FREQ SO WE PROCEEDED TAXIING THE PLANE FROM THE RAMP USING TXWY A SWBOUND. I CONTINUED MY TAXI TO THE RUN UP AREA NEXT TO RWY 32. THEN WE TRIED AGAIN TO CONTACT CLRNC DELIVERY AND APCH FREQS ON 128.25 AND 125.70 WITHOUT ANY ANSWER. THE WX AT FARMINGDALE AT THAT TIME WAS 3 MI VISIBILITY. WE DECIDED TO TAKE OFF AND AS SOON AS WE REACHED 300 FT; WE CONTACTED NEW YORK APCH AND WE ASKED FOR OUR CLRNC. THE CTLR GAVE US A SQUAWK CODE AND A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL WHEN WE LAND. WE GOT OUR CLRNC AND WE PROCEEDED WITH OUR FLT. WHEN WE LANDED IN TRENTON; I CALLED THE NUMBER AS I WAS INSTRUCTED. THE PERSON THAT ATTENDED THE PHONE (NEW YORK TRACON) STATED THAT WE WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO TAKE OFF WITHOUT CLRNC IN IMC WX AND I TOLD HER THAT I TRIED TO CALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED FREQS WITHOUT ANY LUCK. I CALLED DEP FREQ AS SOON AS WE TOOK OFF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.