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Attributes | |
ACN | 652366 |
Time | |
Date | 200504 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : maintenance ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 35 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 5200 |
ASRS Report | 652366 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical maintenance problem : non compliance with mel non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : airspeed indicator flag other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | other other |
Factors | |
Maintenance | contributing factor : manuals performance deficiency : non compliance with legal requirements |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Cabin Crew Human Performance Maintenance Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Maintenance Human Performance |
Narrative:
Aircraft X received inbound with 2 deferred items. Item #1 was for l-hand fuel quantity indicator inoperative and item #2 was the captain's airspeed indicator inoperative. The MEL card for fuel quantity inoperative restricts the use of FMC generated speeds and weights. The MEL card for airspeed indicator requires that the eadi speed tape for the affected side 'must operate normally.' due to the inoperative fuel quantity; certain features of the FMC and VNAV are inhibited. It is not possible to display certain information on the eadi speed tape (vref; vfe; high speed buffet and minimum maneuvering speed). The airspeed function; vne and MCP commanded airspds are displayed. The speed tape shows exactly the same information as the airspeed indicator. I felt this satisfied the 'must operate normally' requirement set forth in the MEL. The aircraft had flown into ZZZ with these items deferred and the mrd and release check was accomplished within 10 mins of departure and showed that the mrd was current. We pushed back and taxied out with intent to fly. During taxi out; ground control advised us to contact the company. We were told to return to the gate as requested by maintenance. We did. After our return to the gate; I contacted maintenance controller for additional information. The maintenance controller had made a determination that the lack of FMC inputs did not meet the requirements of the MEL for the fuel quantity indicator because the FMC could not generate speed information for the eadi speed tape. He told me that they had debated it in depth and also informed me that a previous captain in ZZZ1 had refused the aircraft for that very reason (no mention in the paperwork as an 'eg' note). The aircraft was flown by another crew from ZZZ1 to ZZZ with the deferrals. Discussion with the amt revealed that the aircraft was originally on a 'must fix' status inbound to ZZZ. The airspeed indicator was replaced and we operated without further incident. 2 issues concern me: 1) how could an aircraft get off the gate and show a current mrd with a must fix item? And 2) on the MEL card for airspeed indicator inoperative; the term 'must operate normally' is vague and needs clarification. What is the legal standard of 'must operate normally?'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-300 CAPT QUESTIONS THE DEFERRAL PROCS USED WHEN A FUEL QUANTITY INDICATOR AND AN AIRSPD INDICATOR ARE DEFERRED PER THE MEL.
Narrative: ACFT X RECEIVED INBOUND WITH 2 DEFERRED ITEMS. ITEM #1 WAS FOR L-HAND FUEL QUANTITY INDICATOR INOP AND ITEM #2 WAS THE CAPT'S AIRSPD INDICATOR INOP. THE MEL CARD FOR FUEL QUANTITY INOP RESTRICTS THE USE OF FMC GENERATED SPDS AND WTS. THE MEL CARD FOR AIRSPD INDICATOR REQUIRES THAT THE EADI SPD TAPE FOR THE AFFECTED SIDE 'MUST OPERATE NORMALLY.' DUE TO THE INOP FUEL QUANTITY; CERTAIN FEATURES OF THE FMC AND VNAV ARE INHIBITED. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DISPLAY CERTAIN INFO ON THE EADI SPD TAPE (VREF; VFE; HIGH SPD BUFFET AND MINIMUM MANEUVERING SPD). THE AIRSPD FUNCTION; VNE AND MCP COMMANDED AIRSPDS ARE DISPLAYED. THE SPD TAPE SHOWS EXACTLY THE SAME INFO AS THE AIRSPD INDICATOR. I FELT THIS SATISFIED THE 'MUST OPERATE NORMALLY' REQUIREMENT SET FORTH IN THE MEL. THE ACFT HAD FLOWN INTO ZZZ WITH THESE ITEMS DEFERRED AND THE MRD AND RELEASE CHK WAS ACCOMPLISHED WITHIN 10 MINS OF DEP AND SHOWED THAT THE MRD WAS CURRENT. WE PUSHED BACK AND TAXIED OUT WITH INTENT TO FLY. DURING TAXI OUT; GND CTL ADVISED US TO CONTACT THE COMPANY. WE WERE TOLD TO RETURN TO THE GATE AS REQUESTED BY MAINT. WE DID. AFTER OUR RETURN TO THE GATE; I CONTACTED MAINT CTLR FOR ADDITIONAL INFO. THE MAINT CTLR HAD MADE A DETERMINATION THAT THE LACK OF FMC INPUTS DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MEL FOR THE FUEL QUANTITY INDICATOR BECAUSE THE FMC COULD NOT GENERATE SPD INFO FOR THE EADI SPD TAPE. HE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAD DEBATED IT IN DEPTH AND ALSO INFORMED ME THAT A PREVIOUS CAPT IN ZZZ1 HAD REFUSED THE ACFT FOR THAT VERY REASON (NO MENTION IN THE PAPERWORK AS AN 'EG' NOTE). THE ACFT WAS FLOWN BY ANOTHER CREW FROM ZZZ1 TO ZZZ WITH THE DEFERRALS. DISCUSSION WITH THE AMT REVEALED THAT THE ACFT WAS ORIGINALLY ON A 'MUST FIX' STATUS INBOUND TO ZZZ. THE AIRSPD INDICATOR WAS REPLACED AND WE OPERATED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. 2 ISSUES CONCERN ME: 1) HOW COULD AN ACFT GET OFF THE GATE AND SHOW A CURRENT MRD WITH A MUST FIX ITEM? AND 2) ON THE MEL CARD FOR AIRSPD INDICATOR INOP; THE TERM 'MUST OPERATE NORMALLY' IS VAGUE AND NEEDS CLARIFICATION. WHAT IS THE LEGAL STANDARD OF 'MUST OPERATE NORMALLY?'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.