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A320 first officer alleges the air carrier's load planning department is often late with revisions and sometimes does not provide the accurate takeoff data until the aircraft is airborne and has used the incorrect numbers provided before takeoff.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 655492 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200504 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mmmx.airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl single value : 30000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : mmex.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A320 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 655492 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | other personnel other |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies non adherence other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Company |
| Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Load planning is for the birds! Departed MMMX on runway 23R. WX: wind variable 240/12 - 190/12; temperature 28; altitude 30.18. We waited for weights for several mins and had to delay our takeoff. When we finally received our weights at XA44 we were given a ZFW of 126.556. ACARS reported our off time at XA47. At XB06; 18 mins after takeoff we get an ACARS from clp with new weights. This time ZFW is 127;241; within 59 pounds of being illegal for the data we pulled on the runway...F2; bleeds off; tog 154.1. This crap is becoming the norm and must stop. It will eventually cause a crew to depart over weight or worse end-up in the weeds! Follow-up/additional comments to previously submitted report on this event. Due to the delay at the runway hold short waiting for our final weights; we slightly burned into our cleared fuel by about 200 pounds. Had we departed with cleared fuel or above; like is most often the case; we would have been illegal! Again; load planning sucks!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 FO ALLEGES THE ACR'S LOAD PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS OFTEN LATE WITH REVISIONS AND SOMETIMES DOES NOT PROVIDE THE ACCURATE TKOF DATA UNTIL THE ACFT IS AIRBORNE AND HAS USED THE INCORRECT NUMBERS PROVIDED BEFORE TKOF.
Narrative: LOAD PLANNING IS FOR THE BIRDS! DEPARTED MMMX ON RWY 23R. WX: WIND VARIABLE 240/12 - 190/12; TEMP 28; ALT 30.18. WE WAITED FOR WTS FOR SEVERAL MINS AND HAD TO DELAY OUR TKOF. WHEN WE FINALLY RECEIVED OUR WTS AT XA44 WE WERE GIVEN A ZFW OF 126.556. ACARS RPTED OUR OFF TIME AT XA47. AT XB06; 18 MINS AFTER TKOF WE GET AN ACARS FROM CLP WITH NEW WTS. THIS TIME ZFW IS 127;241; WITHIN 59 LBS OF BEING ILLEGAL FOR THE DATA WE PULLED ON THE RWY...F2; BLEEDS OFF; TOG 154.1. THIS CRAP IS BECOMING THE NORM AND MUST STOP. IT WILL EVENTUALLY CAUSE A CREW TO DEPART OVER WT OR WORSE END-UP IN THE WEEDS! FOLLOW-UP/ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED RPT ON THIS EVENT. DUE TO THE DELAY AT THE RWY HOLD SHORT WAITING FOR OUR FINAL WEIGHTS; WE SLIGHTLY BURNED INTO OUR CLRED FUEL BY ABOUT 200 LBS. HAD WE DEPARTED WITH CLRED FUEL OR ABOVE; LIKE IS MOST OFTEN THE CASE; WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL! AGAIN; LOAD PLANNING SUCKS!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.