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An experienced MD10 pilot receiving a line check descended below mco ATC crossing restr after an first officer advisory and failed his line check.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 656084 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200504 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mco.airport |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : mco.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-10 Conversion |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 656084 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 153 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1550 |
| ASRS Report | 656616 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Orl approach cleared us for a visual runway 18R to cross the VOR at 2500 ft. However; I flew the ILS so we crossed the VOR at 2000 ft. I had not noticed that he wanted us higher than GS at that point. Supplemental information from acn 656616: when GS came alive; captain armed the autoplt for the ILS. As aircraft arrived at 2500 ft and continued to descend (prior to the VOR) I notified the captain of the restr. Captain continued; lca said nothing; causing me to question the clearance. In the seconds of that thought process; we crossed the VOR about 500 ft low. No mention by the tower. Landed safely. Supplemental information from acn 655975: the captain crossed the VOR on the ILS glide path and was approximately 1900 ft at VOR. The first officer was pilot monitoring and he pointed out the restr when they started down. I was conducting a recurrent line check of the captain and was sitting in an observer's seat. I was about to correct the captain in the descent but figured that the first officer warning would be complied with. Debrief: the captain was thinking that since he was cleared for the approach; the restr did not apply. I pointed out that he was in error and he failed the line check. This was a very experienced captain and it was very surprising to see such a violation. Complacency would be a possible factor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN EXPERIENCED MD10 PLT RECEIVING A LINE CHK DSNDED BELOW MCO ATC XING RESTR AFTER AN FO ADVISORY AND FAILED HIS LINE CHK.
Narrative: ORL APCH CLRED US FOR A VISUAL RWY 18R TO CROSS THE VOR AT 2500 FT. HOWEVER; I FLEW THE ILS SO WE CROSSED THE VOR AT 2000 FT. I HAD NOT NOTICED THAT HE WANTED US HIGHER THAN GS AT THAT POINT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 656616: WHEN GS CAME ALIVE; CAPT ARMED THE AUTOPLT FOR THE ILS. AS ACFT ARRIVED AT 2500 FT AND CONTINUED TO DSND (PRIOR TO THE VOR) I NOTIFIED THE CAPT OF THE RESTR. CAPT CONTINUED; LCA SAID NOTHING; CAUSING ME TO QUESTION THE CLRNC. IN THE SECONDS OF THAT THOUGHT PROCESS; WE CROSSED THE VOR ABOUT 500 FT LOW. NO MENTION BY THE TWR. LANDED SAFELY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 655975: THE CAPT CROSSED THE VOR ON THE ILS GLIDE PATH AND WAS APPROX 1900 FT AT VOR. THE FO WAS PLT MONITORING AND HE POINTED OUT THE RESTR WHEN THEY STARTED DOWN. I WAS CONDUCTING A RECURRENT LINE CHK OF THE CAPT AND WAS SITTING IN AN OBSERVER'S SEAT. I WAS ABOUT TO CORRECT THE CAPT IN THE DSCNT BUT FIGURED THAT THE FO WARNING WOULD BE COMPLIED WITH. DEBRIEF: THE CAPT WAS THINKING THAT SINCE HE WAS CLRED FOR THE APCH; THE RESTR DID NOT APPLY. I POINTED OUT THAT HE WAS IN ERROR AND HE FAILED THE LINE CHK. THIS WAS A VERY EXPERIENCED CAPT AND IT WAS VERY SURPRISING TO SEE SUCH A VIOLATION. COMPLACENCY WOULD BE A POSSIBLE FACTOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.