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Attributes | |
ACN | 662377 |
Time | |
Date | 200506 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mht.airport |
State Reference | NH |
Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Embraer Jet Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 662377 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : gpws other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : a90.tracon |
Narrative:
It was day VMC; and we were on initial approach into mht. We called the field in sight; but were told to expect approach clearance to runway 17 in a few mi. We were on a vector that was basically an extended right base for runway 17; and we were told to descend to 2500 ft. The first officer was hand flying. Shortly thereafter; we were cleared for the visual to runway 17. My first officer and I saw a mountain ridge with an antenna farm on top of it which was directly ahead of us on the vector we had been left on before being cleared for the visual. Even though we had clear visual contact with the mountain; we decided it would be prudent to stay at the ATC assigned 2500 ft until clear of the ridge. As we passed over the ridge; we received the aural warning 'terrain; terrain; pull up; pull up!' I quickly checked to ensure that the first officer had indeed leveled at 2500 ft (he did); and that we were not descending (we weren't). Before any evasive action was taken; the warning ceased. After landing; I called boston TRACON on the phone. I wasn't so much alarmed at what had happened to us; but if we'd have been IMC or at night; it would have been a different story. TRACON informed me that in IMC; they leave planes at 3000 ft over the ridge until within 3 mi of the localizer; but because we had the field in sight; they dropped us to 2500 ft. They said we weren't the first airplane to complain about this specific incident. In retrospect; we had about 750 ft clearance over the antennas and the ridge. I had my terrain display on; but was unable to see it because it isn't a very bright display; and the sun setting behind us was shining right onto my mfd. I don't feel that safety was compromised on this particular flight. However; I feel that boston TRACON should raise their MVA to 2800 ft over this ridge; because even in clear conditions with the hazard in sight; we shouldn't be getting egpws warnings at ATC assigned headings and altitudes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT INBOUND TO MHT EXPERIENCED GPWS ALERT WHILE ON CTLR VECTOR AT MVA.
Narrative: IT WAS DAY VMC; AND WE WERE ON INITIAL APCH INTO MHT. WE CALLED THE FIELD IN SIGHT; BUT WERE TOLD TO EXPECT APCH CLRNC TO RWY 17 IN A FEW MI. WE WERE ON A VECTOR THAT WAS BASICALLY AN EXTENDED RIGHT BASE FOR RWY 17; AND WE WERE TOLD TO DSND TO 2500 FT. THE FO WAS HAND FLYING. SHORTLY THEREAFTER; WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL TO RWY 17. MY FO AND I SAW A MOUNTAIN RIDGE WITH AN ANTENNA FARM ON TOP OF IT WHICH WAS DIRECTLY AHEAD OF US ON THE VECTOR WE HAD BEEN LEFT ON BEFORE BEING CLRED FOR THE VISUAL. EVEN THOUGH WE HAD CLR VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE MOUNTAIN; WE DECIDED IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO STAY AT THE ATC ASSIGNED 2500 FT UNTIL CLR OF THE RIDGE. AS WE PASSED OVER THE RIDGE; WE RECEIVED THE AURAL WARNING 'TERRAIN; TERRAIN; PULL UP; PULL UP!' I QUICKLY CHKED TO ENSURE THAT THE FO HAD INDEED LEVELED AT 2500 FT (HE DID); AND THAT WE WERE NOT DESCENDING (WE WEREN'T). BEFORE ANY EVASIVE ACTION WAS TAKEN; THE WARNING CEASED. AFTER LNDG; I CALLED BOSTON TRACON ON THE PHONE. I WASN'T SO MUCH ALARMED AT WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO US; BUT IF WE'D HAVE BEEN IMC OR AT NIGHT; IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT STORY. TRACON INFORMED ME THAT IN IMC; THEY LEAVE PLANES AT 3000 FT OVER THE RIDGE UNTIL WITHIN 3 MI OF THE LOC; BUT BECAUSE WE HAD THE FIELD IN SIGHT; THEY DROPPED US TO 2500 FT. THEY SAID WE WEREN'T THE FIRST AIRPLANE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT. IN RETROSPECT; WE HAD ABOUT 750 FT CLRNC OVER THE ANTENNAS AND THE RIDGE. I HAD MY TERRAIN DISPLAY ON; BUT WAS UNABLE TO SEE IT BECAUSE IT ISN'T A VERY BRIGHT DISPLAY; AND THE SUN SETTING BEHIND US WAS SHINING RIGHT ONTO MY MFD. I DON'T FEEL THAT SAFETY WAS COMPROMISED ON THIS PARTICULAR FLT. HOWEVER; I FEEL THAT BOSTON TRACON SHOULD RAISE THEIR MVA TO 2800 FT OVER THIS RIDGE; BECAUSE EVEN IN CLR CONDITIONS WITH THE HAZARD IN SIGHT; WE SHOULDN'T BE GETTING EGPWS WARNINGS AT ATC ASSIGNED HDGS AND ALTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.