Carj flight crew was notified half way to their destination that the load of the aircraft was greate...

Attributes
ACN	669783
Time
Date	200508
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dfw.airport
State Reference	TX
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Embraer Jet Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : parked ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 1630 flight time type : 420
ASRS Report	669783
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
ASRS Report	668697
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : company policies non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : 3
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Aircraft Company Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Company

Narrative:

During weight and balance calculations we were well aware that we were close to maximum ZFW. We had 40 adults and 1 child onboard. We were provided a load sheet which stated we had 2486 pounds of cargo in C4. This put our ZFW at 37675 pounds; which is 23 pounds under maximum ZFW for an EMB140. En route; we received an ACARS message from dispatch stating that our C4 weight was actually 2746 pounds; not 2486 pounds which was on the load sheet. We calculated our new ZFW to be 37935 pounds. We therefore had exceeded both our maximum C4 cargo weight and maximum ZFW; unbeknownst to us until halfway through our flight. We rechecked the load sheet and the math had been done correctly. We can only surmise that bags were added and the ramp workers forgot to add them to the load sheet until after we had departed. Upon landing; the captain called maintenance control. Maintenance control told the captain that no inspection was necessary. However; after talking with the chief pilot's office; the captain wrote up both exceedances in the aml. Contract maintenance came over and inspected the C4 compartment; but per maintenance control balanced the ZFW exceedance by writing 'no inspection required.' have a ramp supervisor recheck the cargo compartment and verify the slip is correct. If exceeding the mzfw does not require an inspection; why have it as a limitation.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CARJ FLT CREW WAS NOTIFIED HALF WAY TO THEIR DESTINATION THAT THE LOAD OF THE ACFT WAS GREATER THAN REPORTED AT TKOF; AND ACTUALLY EXCEEDED MAX ZFW AND CARGO CONTAINER LIMITATIONS.

Narrative: DURING WT AND BALANCE CALCULATIONS WE WERE WELL AWARE THAT WE WERE CLOSE TO MAX ZFW. WE HAD 40 ADULTS AND 1 CHILD ONBOARD. WE WERE PROVIDED A LOAD SHEET WHICH STATED WE HAD 2486 LBS OF CARGO IN C4. THIS PUT OUR ZFW AT 37675 LBS; WHICH IS 23 LBS UNDER MAX ZFW FOR AN EMB140. ENRTE; WE RECEIVED AN ACARS MESSAGE FROM DISPATCH STATING THAT OUR C4 WT WAS ACTUALLY 2746 LBS; NOT 2486 LBS WHICH WAS ON THE LOAD SHEET. WE CALCULATED OUR NEW ZFW TO BE 37935 LBS. WE THEREFORE HAD EXCEEDED BOTH OUR MAX C4 CARGO WT AND MAX ZFW; UNBEKNOWNST TO US UNTIL HALFWAY THROUGH OUR FLT. WE RECHECKED THE LOAD SHEET AND THE MATH HAD BEEN DONE CORRECTLY. WE CAN ONLY SURMISE THAT BAGS WERE ADDED AND THE RAMP WORKERS FORGOT TO ADD THEM TO THE LOAD SHEET UNTIL AFTER WE HAD DEPARTED. UPON LNDG; THE CAPT CALLED MAINT CTL. MAINT CTL TOLD THE CAPT THAT NO INSPECTION WAS NECESSARY. HOWEVER; AFTER TALKING WITH THE CHIEF PLT'S OFFICE; THE CAPT WROTE UP BOTH EXCEEDANCES IN THE AML. CONTRACT MAINT CAME OVER AND INSPECTED THE C4 COMPARTMENT; BUT PER MAINT CTL BALANCED THE ZFW EXCEEDANCE BY WRITING 'NO INSPECTION REQUIRED.' HAVE A RAMP SUPERVISOR RECHECK THE CARGO COMPARTMENT AND VERIFY THE SLIP IS CORRECT. IF EXCEEDING THE MZFW DOES NOT REQUIRE AN INSPECTION; WHY HAVE IT AS A LIMITATION.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Carj flight crew was notified half way to their destination that the load of the aircraft was greater than reported at takeoff; and actually exceeded maximum ZFW and cargo container limitations.