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Attributes | |
ACN | 672107 |
Time | |
Date | 200509 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Citation Excel |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 672107 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 672434 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : rejected takeoff |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
I was the first officer (PNF) on a flight from ZZZ-ZZZ1; under far 135. We had 6 passenger. The release called for 4500 pounds of fuel; which put us at a 19000 pound takeoff weight. I had entered the fuel and flight plan before we got our clearance and fuel at ZZZ. Our calculated V1 was 97; vr was 103; V2 was 116 using 28 degrees celsius. When we were fueled; we had 5500 pounds of fuel that put our takeoff weight at 20000 pounds. The revised V1 was 101; revised vr was 106 and revised V2 was 119. New runway required was 3750 ft! We started the takeoff roll. I called V1 at 97 and rotate at 103. The nosewheel was not lifting. I called rotate again around 106. At 110; the captain rejected the takeoff. We exited the runway at the end and taxied back. The flaps were in the correct position; the stabilizer was in the correct position. The captain said that the nosewheel was not getting light at all. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter advised that no immediate cause of the event has been determined. The cvr was reviewed and it was determined the flight crew had performed per SOP. Reporter has no knowledge about what steps beyond investigation of crew performance has taken place. Reporter did note that the aircraft was back in service and routinely flying trips; and further stated that although the initial v-spd callouts were slightly erroneous; based on the revised aircraft weight; the captain was using full aft elevator at speeds above the proper rotation speed and the nose never lifted. A full control system movement check was made immediately after the event (as well as during taxi out prior to the event) and all movement seemed normal. Supplemental information from acn 672434: I was assigned a part 135 revenue trip from ZZZ-ZZZ1. Loaded 6 passenger and what I thought was dispatched fuel. At vr I; began rotation (vr at 19000 pounds is 103). At 110 KTS with full nose up elevator; no rise was noted on the nose and the takeoff was aborted. Flaps were left at 15 degrees to note position of stabilizer (note: cessna has said that the aircraft won't rotate if the stabilizer is in cruise position). Before shutdown; the first officer pointed out that we had more fuel than manifested. Re ran told numbers which shows 106 as vr. Decided that we should have maintenance check all rigging prior to further flight rather than have dispatch re-release us with the higher fuel load. The stabilizer was in the takeoff position and maintenance found no abnormalities. A mystery unsolved.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF CITATION EXCEL IS UNABLE TO ROTATE ON TKOF AND REJECT TKOF ABOVE V1. AFTER THE EVENT; THE FLT CREW DETERMINED V SPD CALLOUTS WERE APPROX 4 KTS EARLY; DUE TO INACCURATE FUEL WT. NO CAUSE DETERMINED FOR LACK OF CTL RESPONSE BY ACFT AT ROTATION.
Narrative: I WAS THE FO (PNF) ON A FLT FROM ZZZ-ZZZ1; UNDER FAR 135. WE HAD 6 PAX. THE RELEASE CALLED FOR 4500 LBS OF FUEL; WHICH PUT US AT A 19000 LB TKOF WT. I HAD ENTERED THE FUEL AND FLT PLAN BEFORE WE GOT OUR CLRNC AND FUEL AT ZZZ. OUR CALCULATED V1 WAS 97; VR WAS 103; V2 WAS 116 USING 28 DEGS CELSIUS. WHEN WE WERE FUELED; WE HAD 5500 LBS OF FUEL THAT PUT OUR TKOF WT AT 20000 LBS. THE REVISED V1 WAS 101; REVISED VR WAS 106 AND REVISED V2 WAS 119. NEW RWY REQUIRED WAS 3750 FT! WE STARTED THE TKOF ROLL. I CALLED V1 AT 97 AND ROTATE AT 103. THE NOSEWHEEL WAS NOT LIFTING. I CALLED ROTATE AGAIN AROUND 106. AT 110; THE CAPT REJECTED THE TKOF. WE EXITED THE RWY AT THE END AND TAXIED BACK. THE FLAPS WERE IN THE CORRECT POSITION; THE STAB WAS IN THE CORRECT POSITION. THE CAPT SAID THAT THE NOSEWHEEL WAS NOT GETTING LIGHT AT ALL. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR ADVISED THAT NO IMMEDIATE CAUSE OF THE EVENT HAS BEEN DETERMINED. THE CVR WAS REVIEWED AND IT WAS DETERMINED THE FLT CREW HAD PERFORMED PER SOP. RPTR HAS NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT STEPS BEYOND INVESTIGATION OF CREW PERFORMANCE HAS TAKEN PLACE. RPTR DID NOTE THAT THE ACFT WAS BACK IN SERVICE AND ROUTINELY FLYING TRIPS; AND FURTHER STATED THAT ALTHOUGH THE INITIAL V-SPD CALLOUTS WERE SLIGHTLY ERRONEOUS; BASED ON THE REVISED ACFT WT; THE CAPT WAS USING FULL AFT ELEVATOR AT SPDS ABOVE THE PROPER ROTATION SPD AND THE NOSE NEVER LIFTED. A FULL CTL SYSTEM MOVEMENT CHK WAS MADE IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE EVENT (AS WELL AS DURING TAXI OUT PRIOR TO THE EVENT) AND ALL MOVEMENT SEEMED NORMAL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 672434: I WAS ASSIGNED A PART 135 REVENUE TRIP FROM ZZZ-ZZZ1. LOADED 6 PAX AND WHAT I THOUGHT WAS DISPATCHED FUEL. AT VR I; BEGAN ROTATION (VR AT 19000 LBS IS 103). AT 110 KTS WITH FULL NOSE UP ELEVATOR; NO RISE WAS NOTED ON THE NOSE AND THE TKOF WAS ABORTED. FLAPS WERE LEFT AT 15 DEGS TO NOTE POSITION OF STAB (NOTE: CESSNA HAS SAID THAT THE ACFT WON'T ROTATE IF THE STAB IS IN CRUISE POSITION). BEFORE SHUTDOWN; THE FO POINTED OUT THAT WE HAD MORE FUEL THAN MANIFESTED. RE RAN TOLD NUMBERS WHICH SHOWS 106 AS VR. DECIDED THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MAINT CHECK ALL RIGGING PRIOR TO FURTHER FLT RATHER THAN HAVE DISPATCH RE-RELEASE US WITH THE HIGHER FUEL LOAD. THE STAB WAS IN THE TKOF POSITION AND MAINT FOUND NO ABNORMALITIES. A MYSTERY UNSOLVED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.