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Attributes | |
ACN | 674463 |
Time | |
Date | 200510 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 674463 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Navigational Facility |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
Clear night with excellent visibility. Cleared for VOR 13L at jfk via vectored heading to intercept 223 degree heading off canarsie (cri) VOR. LNAV intercept course but ATC questioned if we were on 223 degree radial cri. As just reaching initial approach fix; had yet to place one VOR/ehsi on raw data. We did so and found approximately 8 degrees north of cri 223 degree radial. Corrected via raw data and flew remainder of approach totally raw data. Once on ground; ATC requested we call ny jfk approach. Doing so; constructive chat with subject as to our database/FMS; etc. Seems similar problems encountered on same approach with other airlines and aircraft. Figured our deviation and one mile at maximum point. FAA had 'route checked' approach previously and it checked normal. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter did not know of any changes in the ny area navaids. However; after talking with the TRACON supervisor; questioned the source of the error. He suggested talking with other acrs in the area to compare between GPS equipped aircraft; FMS; and aircraft flying pure raw data. The fact that this had been route checked makes the aircraft suspect.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757-200 PLT RPTS TRACKING AN FMS COURSE ON THE CRI 223 DEG RADIAL; BUT WHEN QUESTIONED BY NY TRACON; CREW DISCOVERED AN 8 DEG HDG ERROR FROM RAW DATA.
Narrative: CLR NIGHT WITH EXCELLENT VISIBILITY. CLRED FOR VOR 13L AT JFK VIA VECTORED HDG TO INTERCEPT 223 DEG HDG OFF CANARSIE (CRI) VOR. LNAV INTERCEPT COURSE BUT ATC QUESTIONED IF WE WERE ON 223 DEG RADIAL CRI. AS JUST REACHING INITIAL APCH FIX; HAD YET TO PLACE ONE VOR/EHSI ON RAW DATA. WE DID SO AND FOUND APPROX 8 DEGS N OF CRI 223 DEG RADIAL. CORRECTED VIA RAW DATA AND FLEW REMAINDER OF APCH TOTALLY RAW DATA. ONCE ON GND; ATC REQUESTED WE CALL NY JFK APCH. DOING SO; CONSTRUCTIVE CHAT WITH SUBJECT AS TO OUR DATABASE/FMS; ETC. SEEMS SIMILAR PROBS ENCOUNTERED ON SAME APCH WITH OTHER AIRLINES AND ACFT. FIGURED OUR DEV AND ONE MILE AT MAX POINT. FAA HAD 'RTE CHKED' APCH PREVIOUSLY AND IT CHKED NORMAL. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR DID NOT KNOW OF ANY CHANGES IN THE NY AREA NAVAIDS. HOWEVER; AFTER TALKING WITH THE TRACON SUPVR; QUESTIONED THE SOURCE OF THE ERROR. HE SUGGESTED TALKING WITH OTHER ACRS IN THE AREA TO COMPARE BETWEEN GPS EQUIPPED ACFT; FMS; AND ACFT FLYING PURE RAW DATA. THE FACT THAT THIS HAD BEEN RTE CHKED MAKES THE ACFT SUSPECT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.