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Cleared into position and hold on runway 8R in mia; B757 flight crew sees a second B757 on short final and brake to a stop with only nose and right wing across the hold short line.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 676930 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200511 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mia.airport |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : mia.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : takeoff roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : mia.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 676930 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Awaiting takeoff for runway 8R; we were cleared into position and hold. Busy tower frequency with runway 9 closed; lndgs runway 12; runway 8R; and runway 8L. When I looked to clear final; I saw landing lights approximately 2 mi final that I wasn't convinced were lined up with runway 8L. A glance at the TCAS made me wonder more; so I stopped the aircraft with the nose and right wing extending over the hold line approximately 10 ft. The first officer tried to contact the tower; but the tower was busy with other calls and didn't reply until the third call when the first officer stated we were holding short. By that time; a B757 was approximately 1/2 mi final for runway 8R and the tower advised us to hold short. Subsequent takeoff clearance was normal and included a 'sorry about that' from mia tower. If we had not stopped; at a minimum; a go around would have occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 8R IN MIA; B757 FLT CREW SEES A SECOND B757 ON SHORT FINAL AND BRAKE TO A STOP WITH ONLY NOSE AND R WING ACROSS THE HOLD SHORT LINE.
Narrative: AWAITING TKOF FOR RWY 8R; WE WERE CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD. BUSY TWR FREQ WITH RWY 9 CLOSED; LNDGS RWY 12; RWY 8R; AND RWY 8L. WHEN I LOOKED TO CLR FINAL; I SAW LNDG LIGHTS APPROX 2 MI FINAL THAT I WASN'T CONVINCED WERE LINED UP WITH RWY 8L. A GLANCE AT THE TCAS MADE ME WONDER MORE; SO I STOPPED THE ACFT WITH THE NOSE AND R WING EXTENDING OVER THE HOLD LINE APPROX 10 FT. THE FO TRIED TO CONTACT THE TWR; BUT THE TWR WAS BUSY WITH OTHER CALLS AND DIDN'T REPLY UNTIL THE THIRD CALL WHEN THE FO STATED WE WERE HOLDING SHORT. BY THAT TIME; A B757 WAS APPROX 1/2 MI FINAL FOR RWY 8R AND THE TWR ADVISED US TO HOLD SHORT. SUBSEQUENT TKOF CLRNC WAS NORMAL AND INCLUDED A 'SORRY ABOUT THAT' FROM MIA TWR. IF WE HAD NOT STOPPED; AT A MINIMUM; A GAR WOULD HAVE OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.