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Attributes | |
ACN | 684052 |
Time | |
Date | 200601 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fnl.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : touch and go |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 45 flight time total : 952 flight time type : 98 |
ASRS Report | 684052 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 6 flight time total : 90 flight time type : 2 |
ASRS Report | 684796 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
My student and I were flying our second training flight in a C172RG to start on his complex endorsement. The first flight was about a week before in which he had done 5 touch and goes. We made 3 normal lndgs; but on the 4TH; after slowing; he pulled the gear lever up. The nose gear came up and we slid to a stop. I did see his hand there and said 'no' and reached out; but was too late. I think he is a very quick to act person and if he had taken his time; this would not have happened. I do always stress taking time on touch and goes and not rushing; making sure all is right in the plane. I wish I would have said every time -- slow down; make sure what you're doing. I wish there were some box or something over the gear knob; making it harder to just reach out and pull. Also; the squat switch on the cessna rg is on the nosewheel; so if you keep the pressure off the nosewheel like you should; there is not much or no weight on the wheel in a case like this. In the future; I will relate this incident to students on complex training. We are also going to do stop and goes rather than touch and goes; telling students to touch nothing until stopped and verified. I do think this could help; but do not feel it will eliminate the problem. Supplemental information from acn 684796: the only human contributing factors I can think of is the fact I was talking to the CFI quite a bit during our training; not at the exact time of the incident though; but concentrating on the tasks at hand may have helped in paying better attention to what I was doing. I keep the cockpit quiet flying the pattern with passenger when I am the PIC but did not during the training. I should have kept the talk limited to relevant immediate needs only and stopped to talk in any greater detail about the training progress.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172RG STUDENT INADVERTENTLY RETRACTED GEAR ON GND AFTER SUCCESSFUL LNDG ACCOMPLISHED.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND I WERE FLYING OUR SECOND TRAINING FLT IN A C172RG TO START ON HIS COMPLEX ENDORSEMENT. THE FIRST FLT WAS ABOUT A WK BEFORE IN WHICH HE HAD DONE 5 TOUCH AND GOES. WE MADE 3 NORMAL LNDGS; BUT ON THE 4TH; AFTER SLOWING; HE PULLED THE GEAR LEVER UP. THE NOSE GEAR CAME UP AND WE SLID TO A STOP. I DID SEE HIS HAND THERE AND SAID 'NO' AND REACHED OUT; BUT WAS TOO LATE. I THINK HE IS A VERY QUICK TO ACT PERSON AND IF HE HAD TAKEN HIS TIME; THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. I DO ALWAYS STRESS TAKING TIME ON TOUCH AND GOES AND NOT RUSHING; MAKING SURE ALL IS RIGHT IN THE PLANE. I WISH I WOULD HAVE SAID EVERY TIME -- SLOW DOWN; MAKE SURE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I WISH THERE WERE SOME BOX OR SOMETHING OVER THE GEAR KNOB; MAKING IT HARDER TO JUST REACH OUT AND PULL. ALSO; THE SQUAT SWITCH ON THE CESSNA RG IS ON THE NOSEWHEEL; SO IF YOU KEEP THE PRESSURE OFF THE NOSEWHEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD; THERE IS NOT MUCH OR NO WT ON THE WHEEL IN A CASE LIKE THIS. IN THE FUTURE; I WILL RELATE THIS INCIDENT TO STUDENTS ON COMPLEX TRAINING. WE ARE ALSO GOING TO DO STOP AND GOES RATHER THAN TOUCH AND GOES; TELLING STUDENTS TO TOUCH NOTHING UNTIL STOPPED AND VERIFIED. I DO THINK THIS COULD HELP; BUT DO NOT FEEL IT WILL ELIMINATE THE PROB. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 684796: THE ONLY HUMAN CONTRIBUTING FACTORS I CAN THINK OF IS THE FACT I WAS TALKING TO THE CFI QUITE A BIT DURING OUR TRAINING; NOT AT THE EXACT TIME OF THE INCIDENT THOUGH; BUT CONCENTRATING ON THE TASKS AT HAND MAY HAVE HELPED IN PAYING BETTER ATTN TO WHAT I WAS DOING. I KEEP THE COCKPIT QUIET FLYING THE PATTERN WITH PAX WHEN I AM THE PIC BUT DID NOT DURING THE TRAINING. I SHOULD HAVE KEPT THE TALK LIMITED TO RELEVANT IMMEDIATE NEEDS ONLY AND STOPPED TO TALK IN ANY GREATER DETAIL ABOUT THE TRAINING PROGRESS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.