Carj has track deviation on kennedy departure; canarsie climb when flight crew intervenes with autof...

Attributes
ACN	686849
Time
Date	200602
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : cri.vor
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl single value : 4000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Regional Jet CL65 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : initial
Route In Use	departure sid : kennedy 9
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 195 flight time total : 19800 flight time type : 10000
ASRS Report	686849
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory flight crew : overrode automation
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication Aircraft
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On climb from jfk on the kennedy 9 departure/canarsie climb; we were established direct to cri as published. Autoplt was engaged; set direct to cri; on FMS. A few mi prior to the VOR; the aircraft turned hard to the left and established a standard rate turn. It appeared to me to be turning away from the departure track; so I immediately went to the heading mode and turned the airplane back direct to the VOR (the procedure was direct to VOR after takeoff). We re-established direct to VOR but were very close to it and needed to make left turn to the outbound radial (176 degrees) almost immediately; so I started an immediate left turn for the outbound course. But we passed over the VOR and went slightly wide on the turn (to the west) in the left turn the whole time. Controller questioned us regarding what climb we were flying. We told him and he gave us a turn and heading; then handed us off. I'm not sure why the airplane began the left turn initially. It's possible that it was actually turning to intercept the outbound course but it turned quickly; turned earlier (in my perception) than it should and it kept turning. I'm very vigilant on these departures (especially this one) and think I was too wired to expect a problem. As a result; I rapidly corrected back to the VOR. But; due to the short distances on this departure; we ended up slightly wide. 1 thing about this procedure: the airplane behind us apparently had the same problem. I have heard numerous pilots say they had problems on this; and have heard controllers say this happens all the time.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CARJ HAS TRACK DEV ON KENNEDY DEP; CANARSIE CLB WHEN FLT CREW INTERVENES WITH AUTOFLT CTLED DEP THAT APPEARS TO BE TURNING PREMATURELY.

Narrative: ON CLB FROM JFK ON THE KENNEDY 9 DEP/CANARSIE CLB; WE WERE ESTABLISHED DIRECT TO CRI AS PUBLISHED. AUTOPLT WAS ENGAGED; SET DIRECT TO CRI; ON FMS. A FEW MI PRIOR TO THE VOR; THE ACFT TURNED HARD TO THE L AND ESTABLISHED A STANDARD RATE TURN. IT APPEARED TO ME TO BE TURNING AWAY FROM THE DEP TRACK; SO I IMMEDIATELY WENT TO THE HDG MODE AND TURNED THE AIRPLANE BACK DIRECT TO THE VOR (THE PROC WAS DIRECT TO VOR AFTER TKOF). WE RE-ESTABLISHED DIRECT TO VOR BUT WERE VERY CLOSE TO IT AND NEEDED TO MAKE L TURN TO THE OUTBOUND RADIAL (176 DEGS) ALMOST IMMEDIATELY; SO I STARTED AN IMMEDIATE L TURN FOR THE OUTBOUND COURSE. BUT WE PASSED OVER THE VOR AND WENT SLIGHTLY WIDE ON THE TURN (TO THE W) IN THE L TURN THE WHOLE TIME. CTLR QUESTIONED US REGARDING WHAT CLB WE WERE FLYING. WE TOLD HIM AND HE GAVE US A TURN AND HDG; THEN HANDED US OFF. I'M NOT SURE WHY THE AIRPLANE BEGAN THE L TURN INITIALLY. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY TURNING TO INTERCEPT THE OUTBOUND COURSE BUT IT TURNED QUICKLY; TURNED EARLIER (IN MY PERCEPTION) THAN IT SHOULD AND IT KEPT TURNING. I'M VERY VIGILANT ON THESE DEPS (ESPECIALLY THIS ONE) AND THINK I WAS TOO WIRED TO EXPECT A PROB. AS A RESULT; I RAPIDLY CORRECTED BACK TO THE VOR. BUT; DUE TO THE SHORT DISTANCES ON THIS DEP; WE ENDED UP SLIGHTLY WIDE. 1 THING ABOUT THIS PROC: THE AIRPLANE BEHIND US APPARENTLY HAD THE SAME PROB. I HAVE HEARD NUMEROUS PLTS SAY THEY HAD PROBS ON THIS; AND HAVE HEARD CTLRS SAY THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Carj has track deviation on kennedy departure; canarsie climb when flight crew intervenes with autoflt controled departure that appears to be turning prematurely.