CE560 pilot during departure; requests vectors to avoid WX. Controller advises to 'stand by;' pilot ...

Attributes
ACN	689183
Time
Date	200602
Place
Locale Reference	airport : zzz.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 4000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Weather Elements	Turbulence
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : zzz.tracon
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Citation V
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	climbout : initial
Route In Use	departure sid : zzz
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 8800 flight time type : 900
ASRS Report	689183
Person 2
Affiliation	government : military
Function	controller : approach
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllerb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : diverted to another airport
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Weather ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

While holding short of the runway with convective WX in the vicinity of the airport; I asked tower for a left turn after takeoff instead of the normal right turn. I also asked them to forward a request to approach for a WX deviation toward loddi intersection (there was substantial convection and precipitation in the vicinity of our first fix). Tower approved our request for a left turn on departure and told us they would forward the request to departure control. We departed in VMC below the WX and were told to switch to departure. I checked in; advised approach of the WX I saw (visually and on radar) in the vicinity of the VOR and asked for a down range clearance -- either a heading or direct loddi; to avoid the WX. We were told to 'stand by.' several seconds elapsed and again I queried about acceptable course clearance and was again told to 'stand by.' in retrospect; I was never given a heading; traffic callout or help of any kind by approach control. 1 or 2 mi after we were told to 'stand by' for the second time; what appeared to be a supervisor cut in on communications in a harried tone and told us to 'check our altitude immediately; the MVA for our sector was 5100 ft.' I calmly replied to him that I had good visual on all terrain; but had no intention of flying into the WX near the VOR -- and asked them again for an acceptable routing. He seemed upset; and during a critical phase of flight while we were accomplishing after takeoff checklists; crew coordinating and tilting the radar antenna; actually used up precious air time and seconds to give us a local phone number to call after landing! During the entire departure I was never given a heading to fly or modified clearance limit. There was no loss of separation; because he never called a single airborne target to us. I did not see anybody on TCAS. My concerns were for WX and traffic avoidance. The supervisor's concern was for the terrain that I had already reported to him I had in sight. As we proceeded east and joined the SID; from that point; the terminal departure was normal.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CE560 PLT DURING DEP; REQUESTS VECTORS TO AVOID WX. CTLR ADVISES TO 'STAND BY;' PLT REQUESTS VECTORS AGAIN; CTLR ADVISES TO 'STAND BY.' CTLR ADVISES PLT THAT MVA IS 5100 FT AND TO CHK HIS ALT. PLT AVOIDS WX; TERRAIN VISUALLY AND ADVISES CTLR HE IS VFR.

Narrative: WHILE HOLDING SHORT OF THE RWY WITH CONVECTIVE WX IN THE VICINITY OF THE ARPT; I ASKED TWR FOR A L TURN AFTER TKOF INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL R TURN. I ALSO ASKED THEM TO FORWARD A REQUEST TO APCH FOR A WX DEV TOWARD LODDI INTXN (THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL CONVECTION AND PRECIP IN THE VICINITY OF OUR FIRST FIX). TWR APPROVED OUR REQUEST FOR A L TURN ON DEP AND TOLD US THEY WOULD FORWARD THE REQUEST TO DEP CTL. WE DEPARTED IN VMC BELOW THE WX AND WERE TOLD TO SWITCH TO DEP. I CHKED IN; ADVISED APCH OF THE WX I SAW (VISUALLY AND ON RADAR) IN THE VICINITY OF THE VOR AND ASKED FOR A DOWN RANGE CLRNC -- EITHER A HDG OR DIRECT LODDI; TO AVOID THE WX. WE WERE TOLD TO 'STAND BY.' SEVERAL SECONDS ELAPSED AND AGAIN I QUERIED ABOUT ACCEPTABLE COURSE CLRNC AND WAS AGAIN TOLD TO 'STAND BY.' IN RETROSPECT; I WAS NEVER GIVEN A HDG; TFC CALLOUT OR HELP OF ANY KIND BY APCH CTL. 1 OR 2 MI AFTER WE WERE TOLD TO 'STAND BY' FOR THE SECOND TIME; WHAT APPEARED TO BE A SUPVR CUT IN ON COMS IN A HARRIED TONE AND TOLD US TO 'CHK OUR ALT IMMEDIATELY; THE MVA FOR OUR SECTOR WAS 5100 FT.' I CALMLY REPLIED TO HIM THAT I HAD GOOD VISUAL ON ALL TERRAIN; BUT HAD NO INTENTION OF FLYING INTO THE WX NEAR THE VOR -- AND ASKED THEM AGAIN FOR AN ACCEPTABLE ROUTING. HE SEEMED UPSET; AND DURING A CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT WHILE WE WERE ACCOMPLISHING AFTER TKOF CHKLISTS; CREW COORDINATING AND TILTING THE RADAR ANTENNA; ACTUALLY USED UP PRECIOUS AIR TIME AND SECONDS TO GIVE US A LCL PHONE NUMBER TO CALL AFTER LNDG! DURING THE ENTIRE DEP I WAS NEVER GIVEN A HDG TO FLY OR MODIFIED CLRNC LIMIT. THERE WAS NO LOSS OF SEPARATION; BECAUSE HE NEVER CALLED A SINGLE AIRBORNE TARGET TO US. I DID NOT SEE ANYBODY ON TCAS. MY CONCERNS WERE FOR WX AND TFC AVOIDANCE. THE SUPVR'S CONCERN WAS FOR THE TERRAIN THAT I HAD ALREADY RPTED TO HIM I HAD IN SIGHT. AS WE PROCEEDED E AND JOINED THE SID; FROM THAT POINT; THE TERMINAL DEP WAS NORMAL.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

CE560 pilot during departure; requests vectors to avoid WX. Controller advises to 'stand by;' pilot requests vectors again; controller advises to 'stand by.' controller advises pilot that MVA is 5100 ft and to check his altitude. Pilot avoids WX; terrain visually and advises controller he is VFR.