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Attributes | |
ACN | 691757 |
Time | |
Date | 200603 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sgs.airport |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Snow |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PC-12 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 27 flight time total : 4039 flight time type : 182 |
ASRS Report | 691757 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Narrative:
Before takeoff from sgs there was a sign at the hold short line saying that there were; 'no right hand departures at sgs runway 34.' since the clearance did not specify which way to turn to heading; we decided that a left hand so be used to reach a 070 heading. As we climbed and turned; we reached a heading of 170 degrees at 2100 ft and as we continued our turn we reached our heading over the airport and continued our climb to 2500 ft and contacted ATC. All of this occurred in VMC WX conditions on our IFR flight plan. We were then told to call a supervisor. They said that they were expecting us to make a right hand turn to the 070 heading and were unaware of any sign at sgs airport saying that right hand turns were not allowed. They said that they had tried to contact us before we called in but we were still on sgs CTAF. They told us that the problem was that the required IFR spacing of 3 miles 1000 ft was broken so they were required to file a report. According to their radar records we entered their airspace at 2100 ft 170 degree heading and continued to our heading and altitude before contacting ATC. The cause: the sign at the end of the runway. ATC did not know about this sign when I called them and did not expect me to turn left. I stayed in the pattern as I climbed; I was over the sgs airport at 2500 ft and 070 degree heading when I called ATC. How to prevent the event: ATC of msp and the sgs manager should come to an understanding about the signs by the runways; which ATC does not know about. The clearance should specify which way to turn.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PC12 FLT CREW COMPLY WITH DEP SIGNS ON GND AT SGS THAT ATC IS UNAWARE OF; RESULTING IN LOSS OF SEPARATION.
Narrative: BEFORE TKOF FROM SGS THERE WAS A SIGN AT THE HOLD SHORT LINE SAYING THAT THERE WERE; 'NO RIGHT HAND DEPS AT SGS RWY 34.' SINCE THE CLRNC DID NOT SPECIFY WHICH WAY TO TURN TO HDG; WE DECIDED THAT A LEFT HAND SO BE USED TO REACH A 070 HDG. AS WE CLBED AND TURNED; WE REACHED A HDG OF 170 DEGS AT 2100 FT AND AS WE CONTINUED OUR TURN WE REACHED OUR HDG OVER THE ARPT AND CONTINUED OUR CLB TO 2500 FT AND CONTACTED ATC. ALL OF THIS OCCURRED IN VMC WX CONDITIONS ON OUR IFR FLT PLAN. WE WERE THEN TOLD TO CALL A SUPVR. THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE EXPECTING US TO MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN TO THE 070 HDG AND WERE UNAWARE OF ANY SIGN AT SGS ARPT SAYING THAT RIGHT HAND TURNS WERE NOT ALLOWED. THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD TRIED TO CONTACT US BEFORE WE CALLED IN BUT WE WERE STILL ON SGS CTAF. THEY TOLD US THAT THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THE REQUIRED IFR SPACING OF 3 MILES 1000 FT WAS BROKEN SO THEY WERE REQUIRED TO FILE A RPT. ACCORDING TO THEIR RADAR RECORDS WE ENTERED THEIR AIRSPACE AT 2100 FT 170 DEG HDG AND CONTINUED TO OUR HDG AND ALT BEFORE CONTACTING ATC. THE CAUSE: THE SIGN AT THE END OF THE RWY. ATC DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS SIGN WHEN I CALLED THEM AND DID NOT EXPECT ME TO TURN LEFT. I STAYED IN THE PATTERN AS I CLBED; I WAS OVER THE SGS ARPT AT 2500 FT AND 070 DEG HDG WHEN I CALLED ATC. HOW TO PREVENT THE EVENT: ATC OF MSP AND THE SGS MANAGER SHOULD COME TO AN UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE SIGNS BY THE RWYS; WHICH ATC DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT. THE CLRNC SHOULD SPECIFY WHICH WAY TO TURN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.