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Attributes | |
ACN | 691844 |
Time | |
Date | 200603 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : oak.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : nct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Route In Use | arrival star : manteca.one |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7200 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 691844 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Airport Aircraft Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
On arrival into oak off the manteca 1 STAR; after locke and on a 260 degree vector; we were leveling at 5000 ft (in IMC; 250 KTS and clean) when we got a 'terrain; terrain; pull up; pull up' alert (probably GPWS mode 2). We executed the escape maneuver and the 2 pull-ups immediately ceased as we began to climb. The captain retarded the throttles then from maximum to takeoff thrust and then to idle as I notified ATC we were responding to and correcting back to 5000 ft from a terrain alert. The maximum altitude obtained was around 6000 ft and the maximum N1 around 83% as the engines didn't have time to spool all the way to maximum before the maneuver was completed and the throttles retarded. From the first 'terrain' alert; I immediately looked at the egpws display and noticed there was only a solid green square area beneath the aircraft. ATC responded with something like 'uhhh; yeah; you can get those off of mount diablo....' he then stated that minimum vectoring in that area was 4000 ft; and later corrected it to 4900 ft. Mount diablo is 3842 ft though it appears there may be an antenna on it raising it to 3899 ft. The commercial chart talks about GPWS alerts southeast of the airport; but this was northeast of the airport on vectors for runway 11. As diablo is the highest terrain within 25 mi of oak; perhaps there are grounds for not descending people right on top of it in IMC to basically the MVA; particularly as it appears it isn't unusual to get an alert; according to ATC. This event also drills home the importance of knowing the high terrain on approachs and having good positional awareness at all times; even though we knew we were above the MSA.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 EXPERIENCED GPWS AT 5000 FT NEAR MOUNT DIABLO WHILE ON VECTORS TO OAK.
Narrative: ON ARR INTO OAK OFF THE MANTECA 1 STAR; AFTER LOCKE AND ON A 260 DEG VECTOR; WE WERE LEVELING AT 5000 FT (IN IMC; 250 KTS AND CLEAN) WHEN WE GOT A 'TERRAIN; TERRAIN; PULL UP; PULL UP' ALERT (PROBABLY GPWS MODE 2). WE EXECUTED THE ESCAPE MANEUVER AND THE 2 PULL-UPS IMMEDIATELY CEASED AS WE BEGAN TO CLB. THE CAPT RETARDED THE THROTTLES THEN FROM MAX TO TKOF THRUST AND THEN TO IDLE AS I NOTIFIED ATC WE WERE RESPONDING TO AND CORRECTING BACK TO 5000 FT FROM A TERRAIN ALERT. THE MAX ALT OBTAINED WAS AROUND 6000 FT AND THE MAX N1 AROUND 83% AS THE ENGS DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO SPOOL ALL THE WAY TO MAX BEFORE THE MANEUVER WAS COMPLETED AND THE THROTTLES RETARDED. FROM THE FIRST 'TERRAIN' ALERT; I IMMEDIATELY LOOKED AT THE EGPWS DISPLAY AND NOTICED THERE WAS ONLY A SOLID GREEN SQUARE AREA BENEATH THE ACFT. ATC RESPONDED WITH SOMETHING LIKE 'UHHH; YEAH; YOU CAN GET THOSE OFF OF MOUNT DIABLO....' HE THEN STATED THAT MINIMUM VECTORING IN THAT AREA WAS 4000 FT; AND LATER CORRECTED IT TO 4900 FT. MOUNT DIABLO IS 3842 FT THOUGH IT APPEARS THERE MAY BE AN ANTENNA ON IT RAISING IT TO 3899 FT. THE COMMERCIAL CHART TALKS ABOUT GPWS ALERTS SE OF THE ARPT; BUT THIS WAS NE OF THE ARPT ON VECTORS FOR RWY 11. AS DIABLO IS THE HIGHEST TERRAIN WITHIN 25 MI OF OAK; PERHAPS THERE ARE GNDS FOR NOT DSNDING PEOPLE RIGHT ON TOP OF IT IN IMC TO BASICALLY THE MVA; PARTICULARLY AS IT APPEARS IT ISN'T UNUSUAL TO GET AN ALERT; ACCORDING TO ATC. THIS EVENT ALSO DRILLS HOME THE IMPORTANCE OF KNOWING THE HIGH TERRAIN ON APCHS AND HAVING GOOD POSITIONAL AWARENESS AT ALL TIMES; EVEN THOUGH WE KNEW WE WERE ABOVE THE MSA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.