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Attributes | |
ACN | 692027 |
Time | |
Date | 200603 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dab.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dab.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 425 flight time type : 346 |
ASRS Report | 692027 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 34.2 flight time total : 93.2 flight time type : 59.6 |
ASRS Report | 691351 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were holding short of runway 7L in daytona beach (dab) almost ready for takeoff when aircraft Y (a solo cross country student) called ready for takeoff in sequence behind us. We (aircraft X) then called ready for takeoff as well and were told to hold short. Aircraft Y had also been told to hold short. Tower then cleared aircraft Y for takeoff and as he maneuvered out toward the runway; taxied too close and clipped our left wingtip with his right wing. We immediately notified tower of the collision and requested to return to our ramp while aircraft X continued into his takeoff roll and takeoff. Tower questioned aircraft X shortly thereafter who replied that he had not felt anything; so tower asked if he wanted to continue or come back around to land. He said he would come back to land and tower advised him to proceed with closed traffic. Meanwhile tower had cleared us to make a 180 degree turn using runway 7L (after the hold short line) if necessary and contact ground. We contacted ground and taxied back to our ramp. The solo student definitely did not leave enough room between his wing and ours for clearance. I saw him and did not have enough time to react to move our aircraft out of the way. In the future; I will be much more alert when I recognize solo student operations during all phases of flight. Supplemental information from acn 691351: I stopped the aircraft and did my run-up before takeoff. I had not heard the aircraft in front to be ready when I was finished so I made a call to the tower stating I was a student pilot at N4 in sequence ready for takeoff. Tower then gave me clearance to takeoff; so I proceeded to go around to the left of aircraft X to go out on the runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: 2 C172'S DEPARTING DAB SCRAPE WINGTIPS.
Narrative: WE WERE HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 7L IN DAYTONA BEACH (DAB) ALMOST READY FOR TKOF WHEN ACFT Y (A SOLO XCOUNTRY STUDENT) CALLED READY FOR TKOF IN SEQUENCE BEHIND US. WE (ACFT X) THEN CALLED READY FOR TKOF AS WELL AND WERE TOLD TO HOLD SHORT. ACFT Y HAD ALSO BEEN TOLD TO HOLD SHORT. TWR THEN CLRED ACFT Y FOR TKOF AND AS HE MANEUVERED OUT TOWARD THE RWY; TAXIED TOO CLOSE AND CLIPPED OUR L WINGTIP WITH HIS R WING. WE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFIED TWR OF THE COLLISION AND REQUESTED TO RETURN TO OUR RAMP WHILE ACFT X CONTINUED INTO HIS TKOF ROLL AND TKOF. TWR QUESTIONED ACFT X SHORTLY THEREAFTER WHO REPLIED THAT HE HAD NOT FELT ANYTHING; SO TWR ASKED IF HE WANTED TO CONTINUE OR COME BACK AROUND TO LAND. HE SAID HE WOULD COME BACK TO LAND AND TWR ADVISED HIM TO PROCEED WITH CLOSED TFC. MEANWHILE TWR HAD CLRED US TO MAKE A 180 DEG TURN USING RWY 7L (AFTER THE HOLD SHORT LINE) IF NECESSARY AND CONTACT GND. WE CONTACTED GND AND TAXIED BACK TO OUR RAMP. THE SOLO STUDENT DEFINITELY DID NOT LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM BTWN HIS WING AND OURS FOR CLRNC. I SAW HIM AND DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO REACT TO MOVE OUR ACFT OUT OF THE WAY. IN THE FUTURE; I WILL BE MUCH MORE ALERT WHEN I RECOGNIZE SOLO STUDENT OPS DURING ALL PHASES OF FLT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 691351: I STOPPED THE ACFT AND DID MY RUN-UP BEFORE TKOF. I HAD NOT HEARD THE ACFT IN FRONT TO BE READY WHEN I WAS FINISHED SO I MADE A CALL TO THE TWR STATING I WAS A STUDENT PLT AT N4 IN SEQUENCE READY FOR TKOF. TWR THEN GAVE ME CLRNC TO TKOF; SO I PROCEEDED TO GO AROUND TO THE L OF ACFT X TO GO OUT ON THE RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.