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Attributes | |
ACN | 692730 |
Time | |
Date | 200603 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : lga.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 31 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3300 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 692730 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Upon arrival in rdu; I was informed the passenger now wanted to go to lga. So I made the arrangements; filed; got reservations in and out of lga and checked WX and NOTAMS and we departed. I hadn't reviewed the lga charts as we needed to get underway. Upon descent into new york I repeatedly heard approach giving aircraft instructions to 'follow the hudson.' ATIS said lga was landing runway 22; I believe it is. I knew I didn't know where the hudson was; so I asked the copilot to find the hudson depicted on any of the approach plates arrs or charts. He was unable to do so; so I told him we would need to get clarification if they assigned us the same instructions. He found the river visual to runway 13; but was unable to find any markings on the arrival that stated which river was the hudson; as the river split to the east and west of manhattan. The river on the east leads to lga but the river on the west is what you follow for the river visual to runway 13L. As we weren't landing runway 13; this didn't help clarify our situation if we were assigned to follow the hudson. We continued along our route that we were assigned and were given instructions to descend to 4000 ft and follow the hudson. The copilot didn't ask for clarification but just accepted the instructions. I told him to find me the hudson or get clarification now; as I didn't want him to accept them without clarification. While we were working on figuring out which river was the hudson; as the approach frequency was pretty busy; as we were working on this we were told to slow to 210 KTS. I began to slow. As we approached 4000 ft; I noticed the autoplt wasn't slowing. As it hit 4000 ft; I noticed it hadn't leveled off. I kicked off the autoplt and leveled off at 4000 ft. As I did; I noticed the altitude alerter was set to 2100 ft. I asked when we got that assignment as I never heard it. I assumed he mistook 210 KTS for 2100 ft. He got a call to approach to ask them what we were cleared to and they said 4000 ft and it looked like we were east of where we should be. I responded with we were trying to get clarification. I took an immediate turn to the west edge of the hudson river on the west side of manhattan and continued until about 5 mi out on final. We were told by approach to 'contact tower 118.57.' we went to tower and were informed it was westchester tower. The copilot found on the chart tower was 118.7 not 118.57 although I know that's what we were assigned and read back. We switched to 118.7 about a 3 mi final to hear lga tower calling us and sounding a little annoyed. I explained we were given westchester tower and he replied; 'you're landing at lga aren't you?' -- sounding even more annoyed. So I let it go. We landed without incident and the rest of the trip was uneventful. After landing; I reviewed the plates myself to see that the river visual to runway 13 not only shows hudson river in the river as well as in the textual description labeling the hudson. My question is; if they use this arrival for more than 1 runway; why is it labeled river visual to runway 13? Why don't they refer to following the river visual not following the hudson for people who don't fly in there everyday. We made a couple errors which unfortunately compounded themselves. I should have made time to review the plates myself prior to departure. The altitude set to 2100 ft by the copilot and his inability to find the writing of the 'hudson river.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INEXPERIENCED AND UNFAMILIAR LJ31 FLT CREW STRUGGLE TO COMPLY WITH ATC CLRNCS ON VMC ARR TO LGA.
Narrative: UPON ARR IN RDU; I WAS INFORMED THE PAX NOW WANTED TO GO TO LGA. SO I MADE THE ARRANGEMENTS; FILED; GOT RESERVATIONS IN AND OUT OF LGA AND CHKED WX AND NOTAMS AND WE DEPARTED. I HADN'T REVIEWED THE LGA CHARTS AS WE NEEDED TO GET UNDERWAY. UPON DSCNT INTO NEW YORK I REPEATEDLY HEARD APCH GIVING ACFT INSTRUCTIONS TO 'FOLLOW THE HUDSON.' ATIS SAID LGA WAS LNDG RWY 22; I BELIEVE IT IS. I KNEW I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE HUDSON WAS; SO I ASKED THE COPLT TO FIND THE HUDSON DEPICTED ON ANY OF THE APCH PLATES ARRS OR CHARTS. HE WAS UNABLE TO DO SO; SO I TOLD HIM WE WOULD NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION IF THEY ASSIGNED US THE SAME INSTRUCTIONS. HE FOUND THE RIVER VISUAL TO RWY 13; BUT WAS UNABLE TO FIND ANY MARKINGS ON THE ARR THAT STATED WHICH RIVER WAS THE HUDSON; AS THE RIVER SPLIT TO THE E AND W OF MANHATTAN. THE RIVER ON THE E LEADS TO LGA BUT THE RIVER ON THE W IS WHAT YOU FOLLOW FOR THE RIVER VISUAL TO RWY 13L. AS WE WEREN'T LNDG RWY 13; THIS DIDN'T HELP CLARIFY OUR SITUATION IF WE WERE ASSIGNED TO FOLLOW THE HUDSON. WE CONTINUED ALONG OUR RTE THAT WE WERE ASSIGNED AND WERE GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS TO DSND TO 4000 FT AND FOLLOW THE HUDSON. THE COPLT DIDN'T ASK FOR CLARIFICATION BUT JUST ACCEPTED THE INSTRUCTIONS. I TOLD HIM TO FIND ME THE HUDSON OR GET CLARIFICATION NOW; AS I DIDN'T WANT HIM TO ACCEPT THEM WITHOUT CLARIFICATION. WHILE WE WERE WORKING ON FIGURING OUT WHICH RIVER WAS THE HUDSON; AS THE APCH FREQ WAS PRETTY BUSY; AS WE WERE WORKING ON THIS WE WERE TOLD TO SLOW TO 210 KTS. I BEGAN TO SLOW. AS WE APCHED 4000 FT; I NOTICED THE AUTOPLT WASN'T SLOWING. AS IT HIT 4000 FT; I NOTICED IT HADN'T LEVELED OFF. I KICKED OFF THE AUTOPLT AND LEVELED OFF AT 4000 FT. AS I DID; I NOTICED THE ALT ALERTER WAS SET TO 2100 FT. I ASKED WHEN WE GOT THAT ASSIGNMENT AS I NEVER HEARD IT. I ASSUMED HE MISTOOK 210 KTS FOR 2100 FT. HE GOT A CALL TO APCH TO ASK THEM WHAT WE WERE CLRED TO AND THEY SAID 4000 FT AND IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE E OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE. I RESPONDED WITH WE WERE TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION. I TOOK AN IMMEDIATE TURN TO THE W EDGE OF THE HUDSON RIVER ON THE W SIDE OF MANHATTAN AND CONTINUED UNTIL ABOUT 5 MI OUT ON FINAL. WE WERE TOLD BY APCH TO 'CONTACT TWR 118.57.' WE WENT TO TWR AND WERE INFORMED IT WAS WESTCHESTER TWR. THE COPLT FOUND ON THE CHART TWR WAS 118.7 NOT 118.57 ALTHOUGH I KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ASSIGNED AND READ BACK. WE SWITCHED TO 118.7 ABOUT A 3 MI FINAL TO HEAR LGA TWR CALLING US AND SOUNDING A LITTLE ANNOYED. I EXPLAINED WE WERE GIVEN WESTCHESTER TWR AND HE REPLIED; 'YOU'RE LNDG AT LGA AREN'T YOU?' -- SOUNDING EVEN MORE ANNOYED. SO I LET IT GO. WE LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT AND THE REST OF THE TRIP WAS UNEVENTFUL. AFTER LNDG; I REVIEWED THE PLATES MYSELF TO SEE THAT THE RIVER VISUAL TO RWY 13 NOT ONLY SHOWS HUDSON RIVER IN THE RIVER AS WELL AS IN THE TEXTUAL DESCRIPTION LABELING THE HUDSON. MY QUESTION IS; IF THEY USE THIS ARR FOR MORE THAN 1 RWY; WHY IS IT LABELED RIVER VISUAL TO RWY 13? WHY DON'T THEY REFER TO FOLLOWING THE RIVER VISUAL NOT FOLLOWING THE HUDSON FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T FLY IN THERE EVERYDAY. WE MADE A COUPLE ERRORS WHICH UNFORTUNATELY COMPOUNDED THEMSELVES. I SHOULD HAVE MADE TIME TO REVIEW THE PLATES MYSELF PRIOR TO DEP. THE ALT SET TO 2100 FT BY THE COPLT AND HIS INABILITY TO FIND THE WRITING OF THE 'HUDSON RIVER.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.