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Hawker 800XP flight crew is asked by ATC to start a turn to 280 degree heading during teb 5 departure.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 697283 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200601 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | BAe 125 Series 800 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
| Route In Use | departure sid : teb |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 697283 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Airport ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
On departure off of runway 24 at teb; the crew was accomplishing the noise abatement procedure; which caused us to do a slow or a little late turn to the SID heading of 280 degrees (teb 5 departure). The crew was following all procedures; but the controller was more in a hurry for us to get to the heading. For this reason is why I am filing. Safety of flight is the most important item. Doing a noise abatement procedure off of this runway and doing a SID of this nature puts the crews in a very heavy workload; especially with a controller (ATC) of this nature. Solution is to either fix the SID or get rid of noise abatement procedure. I can see many possible violation or NASA forms being filed by many crews; because of this situation with teb 5 and the noise abatement procedures at teb.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HAWKER 800XP FLT CREW IS ASKED BY ATC TO START A TURN TO 280 DEG HEADING DURING TEB 5 DEP.
Narrative: ON DEP OFF OF RWY 24 AT TEB; THE CREW WAS ACCOMPLISHING THE NOISE ABATEMENT PROC; WHICH CAUSED US TO DO A SLOW OR A LITTLE LATE TURN TO THE SID HEADING OF 280 DEGS (TEB 5 DEP). THE CREW WAS FOLLOWING ALL PROCS; BUT THE CTLR WAS MORE IN A HURRY FOR US TO GET TO THE HEADING. FOR THIS REASON IS WHY I AM FILING. SAFETY OF FLT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM. DOING A NOISE ABATEMENT PROC OFF OF THIS RWY AND DOING A SID OF THIS NATURE PUTS THE CREWS IN A VERY HEAVY WORKLOAD; ESPECIALLY WITH A CTLR (ATC) OF THIS NATURE. SOLUTION IS TO EITHER FIX THE SID OR GET RID OF NOISE ABATEMENT PROC. I CAN SEE MANY POSSIBLE VIOLATION OR NASA FORMS BEING FILED BY MANY CREWS; BECAUSE OF THIS SITUATION WITH TEB 5 AND THE NOISE ABATEMENT PROCS AT TEB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.