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Falcon da 2000 flight crew is concerned that ATC issued an amended clearance to the published departure clearance and wondered if the altitude restrs still apply.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 698461 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200605 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl single value : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 2000 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 1400 |
| ASRS Report | 698461 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Departing teb runway 24; passing 800 ft MSL runway heading; on teb 5 departure. Checked in with departure '800 ft for 2000 ft;' and was vectored off cleared departure procedure early to a heading 280 degrees; there is a 1500 foot restr at 4.5 DME off teb. We climbed to 2000 ft; leveled off and were cleared to 6000 ft. Was the departure altitude restr in effect once we checked in; were vectored and no mention of 'comply with the restrs?' we discussed the vector and were 1700 ft at 4.5 DME. Since ATC is no longer responsible for the accuracy of our readback; but on a frequency change required to restate restrs; it would be helpful to completely state both heading and altitude; or restr it if applies. We are uncertain if we were remiss in any way. In addition some scenario based training materials on altitude situations similar to this one would be helpful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FALCON DA 2000 FLT CREW IS CONCERNED THAT ATC ISSUED AN AMENDED CLRNC TO THE PUBLISHED DEP CLRNC AND WONDERED IF THE ALT RESTRS STILL APPLY.
Narrative: DEPARTING TEB RWY 24; PASSING 800 FT MSL RWY HEADING; ON TEB 5 DEP. CHKED IN WITH DEP '800 FT FOR 2000 FT;' AND WAS VECTORED OFF CLRED DEP PROC EARLY TO A HEADING 280 DEGS; THERE IS A 1500 FOOT RESTR AT 4.5 DME OFF TEB. WE CLBED TO 2000 FT; LEVELED OFF AND WERE CLRED TO 6000 FT. WAS THE DEP ALT RESTR IN EFFECT ONCE WE CHKED IN; WERE VECTORED AND NO MENTION OF 'COMPLY WITH THE RESTRS?' WE DISCUSSED THE VECTOR AND WERE 1700 FT AT 4.5 DME. SINCE ATC IS NO LONGER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACCURACY OF OUR READBACK; BUT ON A FREQUENCY CHANGE REQUIRED TO RESTATE RESTRS; IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO COMPLETELY STATE BOTH HEADING AND ALT; OR RESTR IT IF APPLIES. WE ARE UNCERTAIN IF WE WERE REMISS IN ANY WAY. IN ADDITION SOME SCENARIO BASED TRAINING MATERIALS ON ALT SITUATIONS SIMILAR TO THIS ONE WOULD BE HELPFUL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.