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Following radar vectors; E170 on dallas departure proceeds direct txk after triss.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 699341 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200606 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : ttt.vor |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 170/175 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure sid : txk |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time type : 1200 |
| ASRS Report | 699341 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time type : 450 |
| ASRS Report | 699340 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After departing dfw we were on radar vectors. After several turns we were given a heading for the triss intersection; TTT/074 degrees/36 mi. I asked about direct texarkana and was told we needed to go to triss first. I took that clearance to mean radar vectors to triss then direct txk. Several mins after passing triss ZFW asked if we were going to shero (TTT/074 degrees/76 mi). My reply was no we were going direct txk. The ZFW controller told me we were not complying with the dallas eight departure and 'may' have been involved with an aircraft deviation. (No TCAS or vector was given for traffic avoidance.) then we were told to continue direct txk. I then confirmed the rest of our route txk.J42.bkw. Upon arrival in dca I called ZFW to discuss the compliance issue. He said there was no traffic conflict and the departure behind us also had a problem with a SID. I told him about the confusion with the route. I thought it was triss direct txk and ZFW thought triss direct shero direct txk. He said there was no problem but a report would be sent to the dallas FSDO because they have a lot of SID/STAR deviations and wanted to track and fix the problem (ie pilot; FMS or ATC). This deviation was from confusion with the clearance. I have flown this departure many times from dfw and this is the first problem I had. In the future I will verify; after radar vectors; to join the SID or fly direct. Please let me know if I can provide any additional information.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FOLLOWING RADAR VECTORS; E170 ON DALLAS DEP PROCEEDS DIRECT TXK AFTER TRISS.
Narrative: AFTER DEPARTING DFW WE WERE ON RADAR VECTORS. AFTER SEVERAL TURNS WE WERE GIVEN A HEADING FOR THE TRISS INTXN; TTT/074 DEGS/36 MI. I ASKED ABOUT DIRECT TEXARKANA AND WAS TOLD WE NEEDED TO GO TO TRISS FIRST. I TOOK THAT CLRNC TO MEAN RADAR VECTORS TO TRISS THEN DIRECT TXK. SEVERAL MINS AFTER PASSING TRISS ZFW ASKED IF WE WERE GOING TO SHERO (TTT/074 DEGS/76 MI). MY REPLY WAS NO WE WERE GOING DIRECT TXK. THE ZFW CTLR TOLD ME WE WERE NOT COMPLYING WITH THE DALLAS EIGHT DEP AND 'MAY' HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH AN ACFT DEV. (NO TCAS OR VECTOR WAS GIVEN FOR TFC AVOIDANCE.) THEN WE WERE TOLD TO CONTINUE DIRECT TXK. I THEN CONFIRMED THE REST OF OUR RTE TXK.J42.BKW. UPON ARR IN DCA I CALLED ZFW TO DISCUSS THE COMPLIANCE ISSUE. HE SAID THERE WAS NO TFC CONFLICT AND THE DEP BEHIND US ALSO HAD A PROB WITH A SID. I TOLD HIM ABOUT THE CONFUSION WITH THE RTE. I THOUGHT IT WAS TRISS DIRECT TXK AND ZFW THOUGHT TRISS DIRECT SHERO DIRECT TXK. HE SAID THERE WAS NO PROB BUT A RPT WOULD BE SENT TO THE DALLAS FSDO BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF SID/STAR DEVS AND WANTED TO TRACK AND FIX THE PROB (IE PLT; FMS OR ATC). THIS DEV WAS FROM CONFUSION WITH THE CLRNC. I HAVE FLOWN THIS DEP MANY TIMES FROM DFW AND THIS IS THE FIRST PROB I HAD. IN THE FUTURE I WILL VERIFY; AFTER RADAR VECTORS; TO JOIN THE SID OR FLY DIRECT. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I CAN PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.