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Attributes | |
ACN | 701315 |
Time | |
Date | 200606 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : ord.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Beechjet 400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : teb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 701315 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllerb other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Altitude deviation: after departing runway 24 at teb via the teb 5 departure; the initial altitude of 1500 ft was exceeded by at least 300 ft before correction was taken. Notification of the deviation was also received from ny departure at approximately the same time. Factors involved: pilot flying (sic) low corporate flight experience. Pilot flying lack of familiarity with procedure (first departure at teb). Misinterpretation of the SID by PF (crew briefed procedure prior to start-up and departure; there were no questions from the pilot flying). Continuing the climb when flight command bars had captured altitude (preselect was set for 1500 ft and PNF made verbal call-out at 500 ft (500 for 1500 ft)). Pilot flying delay in retarding takeoff power and taking corrective action. PNF delay in taking corrective action/aircraft control. PIC decision to allow sic to fly the departure. The PNF made at least two altitude deviation call-outs upon exceeding the preselected altitude at which time also made initial movements to take control of the yoke in order to descend back to the correct altitude at which time PF initiated corrective action. Upon receiving notification of deviation from ny departure; we then received clearance for a continued climb to 3000 ft. Summary: as PIC; take immediate action for altitude deviations; never assume a pilot (in particular one new to a procedure such as close-in departures) knows what the heck they are doing no matter how well they bluff! As PIC carefully choose when and when not to allow a new pilot sic or PIC rated when they may exercise the privilege of pilot flying!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BEECH JET 400 FLT CREW HAS ALT DEV DURING THE TEB 5 RWY 24 DEP.
Narrative: ALT DEV: AFTER DEPARTING RWY 24 AT TEB VIA THE TEB 5 DEP; THE INITIAL ALT OF 1500 FT WAS EXCEEDED BY AT LEAST 300 FT BEFORE CORRECTION WAS TAKEN. NOTIFICATION OF THE DEV WAS ALSO RECEIVED FROM NY DEP AT APPROX THE SAME TIME. FACTORS INVOLVED: PLT FLYING (SIC) LOW CORPORATE FLT EXPERIENCE. PLT FLYING LACK OF FAMILIARITY WITH PROC (FIRST DEP AT TEB). MISINTERPRETATION OF THE SID BY PF (CREW BRIEFED PROC PRIOR TO START-UP AND DEP; THERE WERE NO QUESTIONS FROM THE PLT FLYING). CONTINUING THE CLB WHEN FLT COMMAND BARS HAD CAPTURED ALT (PRESELECT WAS SET FOR 1500 FT AND PNF MADE VERBAL CALL-OUT AT 500 FT (500 FOR 1500 FT)). PLT FLYING DELAY IN RETARDING TKOF PWR AND TAKING CORRECTIVE ACTION. PNF DELAY IN TAKING CORRECTIVE ACTION/ACFT CTL. PIC DECISION TO ALLOW SIC TO FLY THE DEP. THE PNF MADE AT LEAST TWO ALT DEV CALL-OUTS UPON EXCEEDING THE PRESELECTED ALT AT WHICH TIME ALSO MADE INITIAL MOVEMENTS TO TAKE CTL OF THE YOKE IN ORDER TO DESCEND BACK TO THE CORRECT ALT AT WHICH TIME PF INITIATED CORRECTIVE ACTION. UPON RECEIVING NOTIFICATION OF DEV FROM NY DEP; WE THEN RECEIVED CLRNC FOR A CONTINUED CLB TO 3000 FT. SUMMARY: AS PIC; TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION FOR ALT DEVS; NEVER ASSUME A PLT (IN PARTICULAR ONE NEW TO A PROC SUCH AS CLOSE-IN DEPS) KNOWS WHAT THE HECK THEY ARE DOING NO MATTER HOW WELL THEY BLUFF! AS PIC CAREFULLY CHOOSE WHEN AND WHEN NOT TO ALLOW A NEW PLT SIC OR PIC RATED WHEN THEY MAY EXERCISE THE PRIVILEGE OF PLT FLYING!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.