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Attributes | |
ACN | 701794 |
Time | |
Date | 200606 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : vhp.vortac |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 33800 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc tower : bwi.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | enroute airway : j80.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 7300 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 701794 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | vertical : 1500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
At FL350 approximately 120 NM west of the brickyard VOR we received and acknowledged a descent from ZKC to what we both believed was FL240. This would also correspond to intercepting the normal descent profile into ind. FL240 was set into the FMC altitude window. At approximately FL342 I noticed a target on the TCAS below us climbing almost simultaneous with a TCAS TA. I pointed it out to the captain (PF) and he began a level off that was immediately followed by a TCAS RA to climb at approximately 2000 FPM. The lowest altitude that I saw was FL338. I immediately asked center if we had been cleared to FL240 or FL340. The controller responded '340.' at the same time another carrier aircraft had been climbing to FL330 and responded to a TCAS RA to descend. I stated to the controller;' we thought we had received clearance to FL240 and had acknowledged that prior to beginning our descent.' I do not remember the controller's exact answer but it amounted to a 'roger.' I asked if there was a problem and the controller answered 'no.' the controller asked the other carrier aircraft about resuming his climb and the pilots reiterated the to ZKC controller that they had responded to an RA and were now climbing up to FL330. The controller never asked us about the altitude misunderstanding. The controller eventually cleared us lower and with a frequency change said; 'thanks for the help.' both the captain and myself are not sure what happened. We were certain of our clearance to FL240 but we could have been wrong. I guess we were looking for some type of admonishment from the center controller but there was none. It led us to believe that this may have been an ATC problem. Regardless; good situational awareness as to the TCAS presentation and beginning a leveloff and our subsequent response to the TA/RA had us level at FL340. The TCAS TA and the subsequent RA was right on and minimized a potential serious conflict. We do not believe that we got closer than a few thousand ft to the other carrier's aircraft. We were both alert; certain of our clearance; and both a little puzzled as to what had actually happened. Not sure what can be done about these communication misunderstandings. We acknowledged the clearance with center; the PNF (first officer) put it in the FMS window and the PF (captain) acknowledged the altitude change; all according to procedure. Needless to say we doublechked every altitude clearance the rest of the trip.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-300 FLT CREW IN THE VICINITY OF VHP VORTAC WAS CLRED TO DSND TO FL240. LEAVING FL342 THEY RECEIVED A TCAS TA FOLLOWED BY AN RA AND CLBED BACK TO FL340 TO AVOID CONFLICT WITH AN ACR CLBING TO FL330.
Narrative: AT FL350 APPROX 120 NM W OF THE BRICKYARD VOR WE RECEIVED AND ACKNOWLEDGED A DSCNT FROM ZKC TO WHAT WE BOTH BELIEVED WAS FL240. THIS WOULD ALSO CORRESPOND TO INTERCEPTING THE NORMAL DSCNT PROFILE INTO IND. FL240 WAS SET INTO THE FMC ALT WINDOW. AT APPROX FL342 I NOTICED A TARGET ON THE TCAS BELOW US CLBING ALMOST SIMULTANEOUS WITH A TCAS TA. I POINTED IT OUT TO THE CAPT (PF) AND HE BEGAN A LEVEL OFF THAT WAS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY A TCAS RA TO CLB AT APPROX 2000 FPM. THE LOWEST ALT THAT I SAW WAS FL338. I IMMEDIATELY ASKED CTR IF WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO FL240 OR FL340. THE CTLR RESPONDED '340.' AT THE SAME TIME ANOTHER CARRIER ACFT HAD BEEN CLBING TO FL330 AND RESPONDED TO A TCAS RA TO DSND. I STATED TO THE CTLR;' WE THOUGHT WE HAD RECEIVED CLRNC TO FL240 AND HAD ACKNOWLEDGED THAT PRIOR TO BEGINNING OUR DSCNT.' I DO NOT REMEMBER THE CTLR'S EXACT ANSWER BUT IT AMOUNTED TO A 'ROGER.' I ASKED IF THERE WAS A PROB AND THE CTLR ANSWERED 'NO.' THE CTLR ASKED THE OTHER CARRIER ACFT ABOUT RESUMING HIS CLB AND THE PLTS REITERATED THE TO ZKC CTLR THAT THEY HAD RESPONDED TO AN RA AND WERE NOW CLBING UP TO FL330. THE CTLR NEVER ASKED US ABOUT THE ALT MISUNDERSTANDING. THE CTLR EVENTUALLY CLRED US LOWER AND WITH A FREQ CHANGE SAID; 'THANKS FOR THE HELP.' BOTH THE CAPT AND MYSELF ARE NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED. WE WERE CERTAIN OF OUR CLRNC TO FL240 BUT WE COULD HAVE BEEN WRONG. I GUESS WE WERE LOOKING FOR SOME TYPE OF ADMONISHMENT FROM THE CTR CTLR BUT THERE WAS NONE. IT LED US TO BELIEVE THAT THIS MAY HAVE BEEN AN ATC PROB. REGARDLESS; GOOD SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AS TO THE TCAS PRESENTATION AND BEGINNING A LEVELOFF AND OUR SUBSEQUENT RESPONSE TO THE TA/RA HAD US LEVEL AT FL340. THE TCAS TA AND THE SUBSEQUENT RA WAS RIGHT ON AND MINIMIZED A POTENTIAL SERIOUS CONFLICT. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE GOT CLOSER THAN A FEW THOUSAND FT TO THE OTHER CARRIER'S ACFT. WE WERE BOTH ALERT; CERTAIN OF OUR CLRNC; AND BOTH A LITTLE PUZZLED AS TO WHAT HAD ACTUALLY HAPPENED. NOT SURE WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THESE COM MISUNDERSTANDINGS. WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE CLRNC WITH CTR; THE PNF (FO) PUT IT IN THE FMS WINDOW AND THE PF (CAPT) ACKNOWLEDGED THE ALT CHANGE; ALL ACCORDING TO PROC. NEEDLESS TO SAY WE DOUBLECHKED EVERY ALT CLRNC THE REST OF THE TRIP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.