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Attributes | |
ACN | 702729 |
Time | |
Date | 200607 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : den.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 702729 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical incursion : taxiway |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We had to stop the aircraft to avoid a ground collision with a B747. We were on taxiway B; taxiing to gate X; while the B747 was pushed back onto the south line; holding abeam gate Y. We called ramp control at the top of the alley and they cleared us into the alley via the north line to gate X. As we started our turn; we noticed that the B747 had started taxiing and was turning onto taxiway a. We stopped on B4 with barely enough room for the B747 to go by. Since we had not heard the B747's taxi clearance; we asked sfo ground if the B747 was supposed to wait for us. Their response was that it was a ramp control issue. Air carrier ramp; when asked that same question; said that the B747 was under ground control at that point. This highlights a potential problem --both aircraft were on their proper (though different) radio frequencys; trying to taxi in the same area; yet the 2 controllers weren't/aren't coordinating with each other. One aircraft taxiing from the south line to taxiway a; under sfo ground control. Another aircraft turning from taxiway B to the north line; under air carrier ramp control -- this setup will cause a ground collision some day.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757-200 TAXIING TO THE GATE AT SFO HAD TO STOP ABRUPTLY TO AVOID A COLLISION WITH A B747 TAXIING UNDER AIRLINE RAMP CTL.
Narrative: WE HAD TO STOP THE ACFT TO AVOID A GND COLLISION WITH A B747. WE WERE ON TXWY B; TAXIING TO GATE X; WHILE THE B747 WAS PUSHED BACK ONTO THE S LINE; HOLDING ABEAM GATE Y. WE CALLED RAMP CTL AT THE TOP OF THE ALLEY AND THEY CLRED US INTO THE ALLEY VIA THE N LINE TO GATE X. AS WE STARTED OUR TURN; WE NOTICED THAT THE B747 HAD STARTED TAXIING AND WAS TURNING ONTO TXWY A. WE STOPPED ON B4 WITH BARELY ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE B747 TO GO BY. SINCE WE HAD NOT HEARD THE B747'S TAXI CLRNC; WE ASKED SFO GND IF THE B747 WAS SUPPOSED TO WAIT FOR US. THEIR RESPONSE WAS THAT IT WAS A RAMP CTL ISSUE. ACR RAMP; WHEN ASKED THAT SAME QUESTION; SAID THAT THE B747 WAS UNDER GND CTL AT THAT POINT. THIS HIGHLIGHTS A POTENTIAL PROB --BOTH ACFT WERE ON THEIR PROPER (THOUGH DIFFERENT) RADIO FREQS; TRYING TO TAXI IN THE SAME AREA; YET THE 2 CTLRS WEREN'T/AREN'T COORDINATING WITH EACH OTHER. ONE ACFT TAXIING FROM THE S LINE TO TXWY A; UNDER SFO GND CTL. ANOTHER ACFT TURNING FROM TXWY B TO THE N LINE; UNDER ACR RAMP CTL -- THIS SETUP WILL CAUSE A GND COLLISION SOME DAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.