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Attributes | |
ACN | 702868 |
Time | |
Date | 200606 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pvg.airport |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Robinson R22 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 2600 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 702868 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
My student and I were practicing lndgs on runway 28 at pvg. As the nose of the piper archer was just touching down; I noticed the skids of helicopter on my windshield. The helicopter was descending quickly in a nose high attitude. I took control of the airplane; and applied maximum braking; as I keyed the ptt shouting; 'helicopter what are you doing? Go go go go.' the helicopter hesitantly hovered forward; not up; not sideways; only forward. When I finally got the aircraft parallel with the centerline; after braking pulled the plane severely to the left; I came to rest within 100 ft of the hovering helicopter. We were doing standard traffic patterns; and I was controling the radio; making each call as we turned to the appropriate leg. There were three helicopters on the right side (north) of the runway. Not all of them were using the runway to practice lndgs and the last call I heard was a helicopter on right downwind. I saw no traffic on base or final. I assume with the nose high pitch; that the helicopter was high and tight on an autorotation maneuver to a very active runway. There was also one other plane in the left pattern; and two holding short for departure. After the near miss; we taxied to the hangar to inspect the brakes and newly bald right tire. The helicopter continued flying; stating on the CTAF they were on a chkride and would be down later if anyone needed to talk. We talked and he apologized stating; 'we never saw you.' with all the training; students; and unfamiliar pilots; these right and left converging patterns pose a deadly threat. This is a high traffic airport and an accident is inevitable! Hopefully; my extremely unnerved student will continue to fly. Later I was informed this was a CFI chkride -- a passing chkride. I am still trying to understand a passing chkride breaking multiple FARS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA28 INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT PRACTICING LNDGS AT PVG EXPERIENCED A NEAR MISS WITH AN R22 HELI INSTRUCTOR AND A STUDENT.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND I WERE PRACTICING LNDGS ON RWY 28 AT PVG. AS THE NOSE OF THE PIPER ARCHER WAS JUST TOUCHING DOWN; I NOTICED THE SKIDS OF HELI ON MY WINDSHIELD. THE HELI WAS DSNDING QUICKLY IN A NOSE HIGH ATTITUDE. I TOOK CTL OF THE AIRPLANE; AND APPLIED MAXIMUM BRAKING; AS I KEYED THE PTT SHOUTING; 'HELI WHAT ARE YOU DOING? GO GO GO GO.' THE HELI HESITANTLY HOVERED FORWARD; NOT UP; NOT SIDEWAYS; ONLY FORWARD. WHEN I FINALLY GOT THE ACFT PARALLEL WITH THE CTRLINE; AFTER BRAKING PULLED THE PLANE SEVERELY TO THE L; I CAME TO REST WITHIN 100 FT OF THE HOVERING HELI. WE WERE DOING STANDARD TFC PATTERNS; AND I WAS CTLING THE RADIO; MAKING EACH CALL AS WE TURNED TO THE APPROPRIATE LEG. THERE WERE THREE HELIS ON THE R SIDE (N) OF THE RWY. NOT ALL OF THEM WERE USING THE RWY TO PRACTICE LNDGS AND THE LAST CALL I HEARD WAS A HELI ON R DOWNWIND. I SAW NO TFC ON BASE OR FINAL. I ASSUME WITH THE NOSE HIGH PITCH; THAT THE HELI WAS HIGH AND TIGHT ON AN AUTOROTATION MANEUVER TO A VERY ACTIVE RWY. THERE WAS ALSO ONE OTHER PLANE IN THE L PATTERN; AND TWO HOLDING SHORT FOR DEP. AFTER THE NEAR MISS; WE TAXIED TO THE HANGAR TO INSPECT THE BRAKES AND NEWLY BALD R TIRE. THE HELI CONTINUED FLYING; STATING ON THE CTAF THEY WERE ON A CHKRIDE AND WOULD BE DOWN LATER IF ANYONE NEEDED TO TALK. WE TALKED AND HE APOLOGIZED STATING; 'WE NEVER SAW YOU.' WITH ALL THE TRAINING; STUDENTS; AND UNFAMILIAR PLTS; THESE R AND L CONVERGING PATTERNS POSE A DEADLY THREAT. THIS IS A HIGH TFC ARPT AND AN ACCIDENT IS INEVITABLE! HOPEFULLY; MY EXTREMELY UNNERVED STUDENT WILL CONTINUE TO FLY. LATER I WAS INFORMED THIS WAS A CFI CHKRIDE -- A PASSING CHKRIDE. I AM STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A PASSING CHKRIDE BREAKING MULTIPLE FARS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.