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An A319 flight crew took off after receiving final weights and approximately 40 mins later received a correction to the weights.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 704173 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200607 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : den.airport |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A319 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 165 flight time type : 1950 |
| ASRS Report | 764173 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence other |
| Independent Detector | other other : 3 |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Company |
| Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
On this flight we were due out at XA15Z. At XA12Z I asked operations for a delay update and any information. He responded that 'you were going to wait for connects but now that's changed. You should have your paperwork shortly.' I received paperwork almost immediately thereafter. Numbers were provided as follows: passenger = 128; 2 child 2 laps. Zero fuel weight = 121208. Zero fuel center of gravity - 31.8. Gross takeoff weight = 140544. We pushed at XA28Z and took off at XA38Z. At XB19Z via ACARS we received a message with the following: 'updated numbers from load planning.' passenger = 112 plus 2 laps (difference of 18 passenger). Zero fuel weight = 117788 (difference of 3420 pounds). Takeoff gross weight = 137124 (difference of 3420 pounds). Estimated landing weight = 124334 (difference of 3420 pounds). Stabilizer trim = 0.30 up (.1 difference). Obviously; we were given numbers for projected connections that we as a flight crew have no way to verify. The onboard crew is no longer to verify and head count passenger. This poses both an accountability problem with souls on board and an operational problem by taking off with grossly inaccurate data. Have cabin crews provide an accurate head count of passenger.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A319 FLT CREW TOOK OFF AFTER RECEIVING FINAL WTS AND APPROX 40 MINS LATER RECEIVED A CORRECTION TO THE WTS.
Narrative: ON THIS FLT WE WERE DUE OUT AT XA15Z. AT XA12Z I ASKED OPS FOR A DELAY UPDATE AND ANY INFO. HE RESPONDED THAT 'YOU WERE GOING TO WAIT FOR CONNECTS BUT NOW THAT'S CHANGED. YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR PAPERWORK SHORTLY.' I RECEIVED PAPERWORK ALMOST IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER. NUMBERS WERE PROVIDED AS FOLLOWS: PAX = 128; 2 CHILD 2 LAPS. ZERO FUEL WT = 121208. ZERO FUEL CTR OF GRAVITY - 31.8. GROSS TKOF WT = 140544. WE PUSHED AT XA28Z AND TOOK OFF AT XA38Z. AT XB19Z VIA ACARS WE RECEIVED A MESSAGE WITH THE FOLLOWING: 'UPDATED NUMBERS FROM LOAD PLANNING.' PAX = 112 PLUS 2 LAPS (DIFFERENCE OF 18 PAX). ZERO FUEL WT = 117788 (DIFFERENCE OF 3420 LBS). TKOF GROSS WT = 137124 (DIFFERENCE OF 3420 LBS). ESTIMATED LNDG WT = 124334 (DIFFERENCE OF 3420 LBS). STABILIZER TRIM = 0.30 UP (.1 DIFFERENCE). OBVIOUSLY; WE WERE GIVEN NUMBERS FOR PROJECTED CONNECTIONS THAT WE AS A FLT CREW HAVE NO WAY TO VERIFY. THE ONBOARD CREW IS NO LONGER TO VERIFY AND HEAD COUNT PAX. THIS POSES BOTH AN ACCOUNTABILITY PROB WITH SOULS ON BOARD AND AN OPERATIONAL PROB BY TAKING OFF WITH GROSSLY INACCURATE DATA. HAVE CABIN CREWS PROVIDE AN ACCURATE HEAD COUNT OF PAX.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.