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Attributes | |
ACN | 705187 |
Time | |
Date | 200607 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : day.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl single value : 4500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : day.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Baron 58/58TC |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 7317 flight time type : 4537 |
ASRS Report | 705187 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was on VFR on top IFR clearance 9500 ft MSL. This was given by chicago approach and ZAU had accepted the clearance. The initial altitude was 9000 ft. A direct course to destination would require 11000 ft. I requested the IFR VFR on top clearance instead of climbing to 11000 ft. ZAU; south bend approach; fort wayne approach each understood the IFR clearance as VFR on top. A controller on dayton approach did not understand the clearance as IFR. I expressed disagreement and proceeded as mentioned. He would not state his initials but read from 7110.65R as his supervisor instructed and that I could call the supervisor. I refer to 7110.65R; 7-3-1; aim ATC 4-4-7; and air traffic procedures 5-5-13.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE58 PLT DESCRIBED CONFUSION REGARDING VFR ON TOP STATUS WITH APCH CTLR AT DAY TRACON.
Narrative: I WAS ON VFR ON TOP IFR CLRNC 9500 FT MSL. THIS WAS GIVEN BY CHICAGO APCH AND ZAU HAD ACCEPTED THE CLRNC. THE INITIAL ALT WAS 9000 FT. A DIRECT COURSE TO DEST WOULD REQUIRE 11000 FT. I REQUESTED THE IFR VFR ON TOP CLRNC INSTEAD OF CLBING TO 11000 FT. ZAU; SOUTH BEND APCH; FORT WAYNE APCH EACH UNDERSTOOD THE IFR CLRNC AS VFR ON TOP. A CTLR ON DAYTON APCH DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE CLRNC AS IFR. I EXPRESSED DISAGREEMENT AND PROCEEDED AS MENTIONED. HE WOULD NOT STATE HIS INITIALS BUT READ FROM 7110.65R AS HIS SUPVR INSTRUCTED AND THAT I COULD CALL THE SUPVR. I REFER TO 7110.65R; 7-3-1; AIM ATC 4-4-7; AND AIR TFC PROCS 5-5-13.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.