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Attributes | |
ACN | 712755 |
Time | |
Date | 200609 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-32 Cherokee Six/Lance/Saratoga |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 111 flight time total : 270 flight time type : 1 |
ASRS Report | 712755 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
A pilot approached me to do a BFR in his piper saratoga. It was a spur-of-the-moment type flight review. Unaware of this pilot's credentials; I asked him about his flying currency; and he told me that he just needed a flight review. I had no idea that he hadn't flown in over 2 yrs; and that he wasn't current to fly his saratoga. This became an issue to me when he presented his logbook to me the next day (he didn't have his logbook with him the night before when we did the flight). His logbook showed that he hadn't flown in over 2 yrs. Since I didn't have much experience in high performance aircraft; or a high performance endorsement; I realized that I wasn't legally PIC on that flight either. It's an example of not being presented with the proper information by a student. I should have; looking back at it; not flown with him until I requested his logbook for careful examination. I've learned an important lesson about giving flight instruction: even if you become rushed by someone; situation back and analyze your situation that you're involved with; because the solution or problem may be as simple as checking your applicant's past flying experience. On this day; a person with their own plane seemed very capable of flying it; when in all actuality they couldn't act as PIC; because of recovery of flight experience regulations 61.56 and 61.57. I've since been more careful to analyze my situation that candidates for BFR's put me in. I've read the pertinent advisory circular on the flight review; and I've inquired on each pilot's flying desires and type of aircraft that will be used when exercising my BFR endorsement. I no longer rush into it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CFI RPTS CONDUCTING A BIANNUAL REVIEW WITH A PA32 PLT WHEN THE PLT WAS NOT CURRENT AND THE CFI NOT RATED FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE ACFT.
Narrative: A PLT APCHED ME TO DO A BFR IN HIS PIPER SARATOGA. IT WAS A SPUR-OF-THE-MOMENT TYPE FLT REVIEW. UNAWARE OF THIS PLT'S CREDENTIALS; I ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS FLYING CURRENCY; AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE JUST NEEDED A FLT REVIEW. I HAD NO IDEA THAT HE HADN'T FLOWN IN OVER 2 YRS; AND THAT HE WASN'T CURRENT TO FLY HIS SARATOGA. THIS BECAME AN ISSUE TO ME WHEN HE PRESENTED HIS LOGBOOK TO ME THE NEXT DAY (HE DIDN'T HAVE HIS LOGBOOK WITH HIM THE NIGHT BEFORE WHEN WE DID THE FLT). HIS LOGBOOK SHOWED THAT HE HADN'T FLOWN IN OVER 2 YRS. SINCE I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE IN HIGH PERFORMANCE ACFT; OR A HIGH PERFORMANCE ENDORSEMENT; I REALIZED THAT I WASN'T LEGALLY PIC ON THAT FLT EITHER. IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF NOT BEING PRESENTED WITH THE PROPER INFO BY A STUDENT. I SHOULD HAVE; LOOKING BACK AT IT; NOT FLOWN WITH HIM UNTIL I REQUESTED HIS LOGBOOK FOR CAREFUL EXAMINATION. I'VE LEARNED AN IMPORTANT LESSON ABOUT GIVING FLT INSTRUCTION: EVEN IF YOU BECOME RUSHED BY SOMEONE; SIT BACK AND ANALYZE YOUR SITUATION THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH; BECAUSE THE SOLUTION OR PROB MAY BE AS SIMPLE AS CHKING YOUR APPLICANT'S PAST FLYING EXPERIENCE. ON THIS DAY; A PERSON WITH THEIR OWN PLANE SEEMED VERY CAPABLE OF FLYING IT; WHEN IN ALL ACTUALITY THEY COULDN'T ACT AS PIC; BECAUSE OF RECOVERY OF FLT EXPERIENCE REGS 61.56 AND 61.57. I'VE SINCE BEEN MORE CAREFUL TO ANALYZE MY SITUATION THAT CANDIDATES FOR BFR'S PUT ME IN. I'VE READ THE PERTINENT ADVISORY CIRCULAR ON THE FLT REVIEW; AND I'VE INQUIRED ON EACH PLT'S FLYING DESIRES AND TYPE OF ACFT THAT WILL BE USED WHEN EXERCISING MY BFR ENDORSEMENT. I NO LONGER RUSH INTO IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.