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Attributes | |
ACN | 713470 |
Time | |
Date | 200610 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sdf.airport |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 900 msl bound upper : 1400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sdf.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 35l |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time type : 320 |
ASRS Report | 713470 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 713472 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : gpws other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Flying into sdf where the WX was reported at 1200 ft and 8 mi we were expecting the localizer to runway 35L. We brief the approach completely to be sure we were both on the same page for it had been some time since either one of us had done a localizer approach (non precision approach). During vectors we had noticed approach control wanted the aircraft to keep their speed up until reaching cardinal. We discuss that we would need a greater descent rate in order to comply with ATC. Establish inbound on the localizer ATC clears us for the approach. We configured the aircraft to cross cardinal in landing confign and proceeded to start down to our crossing fix; and then down to the MDA. As we broke out I immediately notice that we were low; as the PAPI light also indicated. We immediately level the aircraft and at the same time we receive terrain GPWS. With the runway in sight; we initiated a slight climb to put us back on the PAPI. At that same time we receive a GPWS 'pull up' which we had already previously initiated. We were reestablished on the approach in seconds and proceeded with a visual approach and landing on runway 35L. Once on the ground; and the aircraft secure we talked about what had just happened. We believe that we convinced ourselves that due to the faster airspeed that ATC requested; that we really needed to hurry down during the approach in order to comply with both the approach criteria; and ATC request. In hindsight; even though we were VMC; we should have done a go around; and came back around for another approach. A lesson well learned! Supplemental information from acn 713472: I 'think' both pilots misread distance by reading distance on top of ehsi; instead of reading distance from ILS DME as we briefed. We began descent to MDA of 860 ft at what we thought was 4.5 DME but was probably 4.5 mi from threshold.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A300 ON A NON-PRECISION APCH TO SDF DSNDS BELOW THE CHARTED ALT AND GETS GPWS 'TERRAIN' AND 'PULL UP' WARNINGS. CREW ADJUSTS ALT AND CONTINUES APCH.
Narrative: FLYING INTO SDF WHERE THE WX WAS RPTED AT 1200 FT AND 8 MI WE WERE EXPECTING THE LOC TO RWY 35L. WE BRIEF THE APCH COMPLETELY TO BE SURE WE WERE BOTH ON THE SAME PAGE FOR IT HAD BEEN SOME TIME SINCE EITHER ONE OF US HAD DONE A LOC APCH (NON PRECISION APCH). DURING VECTORS WE HAD NOTICED APCH CTL WANTED THE ACFT TO KEEP THEIR SPD UP UNTIL REACHING CARDINAL. WE DISCUSS THAT WE WOULD NEED A GREATER DSCNT RATE IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH ATC. ESTABLISH INBOUND ON THE LOC ATC CLRS US FOR THE APCH. WE CONFIGURED THE ACFT TO CROSS CARDINAL IN LNDG CONFIGN AND PROCEEDED TO START DOWN TO OUR XING FIX; AND THEN DOWN TO THE MDA. AS WE BROKE OUT I IMMEDIATELY NOTICE THAT WE WERE LOW; AS THE PAPI LIGHT ALSO INDICATED. WE IMMEDIATELY LEVEL THE ACFT AND AT THE SAME TIME WE RECEIVE TERRAIN GPWS. WITH THE RWY IN SIGHT; WE INITIATED A SLIGHT CLB TO PUT US BACK ON THE PAPI. AT THAT SAME TIME WE RECEIVE A GPWS 'PULL UP' WHICH WE HAD ALREADY PREVIOUSLY INITIATED. WE WERE REESTABLISHED ON THE APCH IN SECONDS AND PROCEEDED WITH A VISUAL APCH AND LNDG ON RWY 35L. ONCE ON THE GND; AND THE ACFT SECURE WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAD JUST HAPPENED. WE BELIEVE THAT WE CONVINCED OURSELVES THAT DUE TO THE FASTER AIRSPD THAT ATC REQUESTED; THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO HURRY DOWN DURING THE APCH IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH BOTH THE APCH CRITERIA; AND ATC REQUEST. IN HINDSIGHT; EVEN THOUGH WE WERE VMC; WE SHOULD HAVE DONE A GAR; AND CAME BACK AROUND FOR ANOTHER APCH. A LESSON WELL LEARNED! SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 713472: I 'THINK' BOTH PLTS MISREAD DISTANCE BY READING DISTANCE ON TOP OF EHSI; INSTEAD OF READING DISTANCE FROM ILS DME AS WE BRIEFED. WE BEGAN DSCNT TO MDA OF 860 FT AT WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS 4.5 DME BUT WAS PROBABLY 4.5 MI FROM THRESHOLD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.