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Attributes | |
ACN | 714343 |
Time | |
Date | 200610 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 31 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : teb 5 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 714343 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 714656 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Prior to departing teb we received an IFR clearance; including the teb 5 departure. We briefed the departure procedure using a commercial chart prior to departing runway 24. After departure; the pilot flying climbed via heading 241 degrees to an altitude of 1500 ft MSL then started a climbing right turn to a heading of 280 degrees and 2000 ft MSL. ATC notified the crew that they should have maintained 1500 ft MSL. The pilot flying immediately descended from 1900 ft MSL to 1500 ft MSL and continued the turn to a 280 degree heading. ATC then advised the crew they had violated the teb 5 departure. There was no TCAS alert and no traffic in view of the crew. ATC then cleared the flight to 2000 ft MSL. The flight continued uneventfully. During all phases of ground and flight operations; all normal procedures were followed without deviation with the exception of prematurely starting a climb to 2000 ft on the SID.supplemental information from acn 714656: our flight was cleared from teb by the teb 5 departure maintain 2000 ft expect a visual to runway at ZZZ. 1500 ft was set and selected armed into the altitude selector the initial altitude for the departure. The SID was loaded into the FMS for departure off runway 24. The departure was briefed and understood by both pilots. It was understood that after takeoff I was going to ask the PNF to select navigation mode on the automatic flight control panel. This would assure us proper guidance with the flight director through the SID. Teb VOR was set into the number 1 and 2 navigation. During the takeoff roll (just prior to vr) the PNF stated that the FMS and flight director was giving us the wrong information. I continued the takeoff on runway heading ignoring the flight director command bars. After gear retraction; the PNF stated that the FMS and flight director were indicating a turn direct to our destination. With the airplane being empty it wanted to climb steeply. I powered back so I would not accelerate past 200 KIAS and could level at 1500 ft smoothly. Without the FMS and flight director guidance all I could remember was to climb runway heading to 1500 ft; turn right to 280 degrees and then a climb to 2000 ft was needed on this heading. Leveling at 1500 ft a right turn to 280 degrees was initiated and the teb tower handed us off to departure. The PNF then set 2000 ft into the altitude preselect for the next phase of the departure and I started a climb to 2000 ft on a heading of 280 degrees. When the pilot not flying checked in with departure control he said; 'out of 1700 ft for 2000 ft heading 280 degrees.' the controller then said you need to be at 1500 ft. I immediately started a descent to 1500 ft. By the time I started the descent to 1500 ft we were at about 1900 ft. The controller then said that we violated the teb 5 departure and to contact another approach controller. When checking in with the new approach controller he said we need to be at 2000 ft and to turn left to 250 degrees. We never accelerated past 200 KIAS and the rest of the flight was uneventful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LEAR 31 FLT CREW HAS AN ALT DEV DURING THE TEB DEP.
Narrative: PRIOR TO DEPARTING TEB WE RECEIVED AN IFR CLEARANCE; INCLUDING THE TEB 5 DEP. WE BRIEFED THE DEPARTURE PROC USING A COMMERCIAL CHART PRIOR TO DEPARTING RWY 24. AFTER DEP; THE PILOT FLYING CLIMBED VIA HEADING 241 DEGS TO AN ALT OF 1500 FT MSL THEN STARTED A CLBING R TURN TO A HEADING OF 280 DEGS AND 2000 FT MSL. ATC NOTIFIED THE CREW THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE MAINTAINED 1500 FT MSL. THE PILOT FLYING IMMEDIATELY DESCENDED FROM 1900 FT MSL TO 1500 FT MSL AND CONTINUED THE TURN TO A 280 DEG HEADING. ATC THEN ADVISED THE CREW THEY HAD VIOLATED THE TEB 5 DEP. THERE WAS NO TCAS ALERT AND NO TFC IN VIEW OF THE CREW. ATC THEN CLRED THE FLT TO 2000 FT MSL. THE FLT CONTINUED UNEVENTFULLY. DURING ALL PHASES OF GROUND AND FLIGHT OPERATIONS; ALL NORMAL PROCS WERE FOLLOWED WITHOUT DEVIATION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PREMATURELY STARTING A CLIMB TO 2000 FT ON THE SID.SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 714656: OUR FLIGHT WAS CLEARED FROM TEB BY THE TEB 5 DEP MAINTAIN 2000 FT EXPECT A VISUAL TO RWY AT ZZZ. 1500 FT WAS SET AND SELECTED ARMED INTO THE ALTITUDE SELECTOR THE INITIAL ALTITUDE FOR THE DEP. THE SID WAS LOADED INTO THE FMS FOR DEP OFF RWY 24. THE DEP WAS BRIEFED AND UNDERSTOOD BY BOTH PILOTS. IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT AFTER TAKEOFF I WAS GOING TO ASK THE PNF TO SELECT NAV MODE ON THE AUTOMATIC FLIGHT CONTROL PANEL. THIS WOULD ASSURE US PROPER GUIDANCE WITH THE FLIGHT DIRECTOR THROUGH THE SID. TEB VOR WAS SET INTO THE NUMBER 1 AND 2 NAV. DURING THE TAKEOFF ROLL (JUST PRIOR TO VR) THE PNF STATED THAT THE FMS AND FLIGHT DIRECTOR WAS GIVING US THE WRONG INFORMATION. I CONTINUED THE TAKEOFF ON RUNWAY HEADING IGNORING THE FLIGHT DIRECTOR COMMAND BARS. AFTER GEAR RETRACTION; THE PNF STATED THAT THE FMS AND FLIGHT DIRECTOR WERE INDICATING A TURN DIRECT TO OUR DESTINATION. WITH THE AIRPLANE BEING EMPTY IT WANTED TO CLIMB STEEPLY. I POWERED BACK SO I WOULD NOT ACCELERATE PAST 200 KIAS AND COULD LEVEL AT 1500 FT SMOOTHLY. WITHOUT THE FMS AND FLIGHT DIRECTOR GUIDANCE ALL I COULD REMEMBER WAS TO CLIMB RUNWAY HEADING TO 1500 FT; TURN RIGHT TO 280 DEGS AND THEN A CLIMB TO 2000 FT WAS NEEDED ON THIS HEADING. LEVELING AT 1500 FT A R TURN TO 280 DEGS WAS INITIATED AND THE TEB TOWER HANDED US OFF TO DEPARTURE. THE PNF THEN SET 2000 FT INTO THE ALT PRESELECT FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF THE DEP AND I STARTED A CLIMB TO 2000 FT ON A HEADING OF 280 DEGS. WHEN THE PILOT NOT FLYING CHECKED IN WITH DEPARTURE CONTROL HE SAID; 'OUT OF 1700 FT FOR 2000 FT HEADING 280 DEGS.' THE CONTROLLER THEN SAID YOU NEED TO BE AT 1500 FT. I IMMEDIATELY STARTED A DESCENT TO 1500 FT. BY THE TIME I STARTED THE DESCENT TO 1500 FT WE WERE AT ABOUT 1900 FT. THE CONTROLLER THEN SAID THAT WE VIOLATED THE TEB 5 DEP AND TO CONTACT ANOTHER APPROACH CTLR. WHEN CHECKING IN WITH THE NEW APPROACH CTLR HE SAID WE NEED TO BE AT 2000 FT AND TO TURN LEFT TO 250 DEGS. WE NEVER ACCELERATED PAST 200 KIAS AND THE REST OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.