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Attributes | |
ACN | 718125 |
Time | |
Date | 200611 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zlc.artcc |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Snow |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Super King Air 200 HDC |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3300 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 718125 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : zlc.artcc |
Narrative:
For the second time in a couple of weeks; when I have been cleared for the ILS 12 at bzn; salt lake ATC has been holding me very high; much higher than the MDA on the respective transitions; and only 'clearing' me for the approach (i.e. Allowing me to descend to the MDA) after turning inbound on the localizer. Problem is; they have kept me at 12000 ft MSL until that point; and the MDA at that part of the approach is 6800 ft. Salt lake did this to me once while flying the 14 mile DME arc from the north; and yesterday while on the hia transition. It is completely impossible to have a stabilized approach under those circumstances. I understand that ZLC loses radar coverage below 12000 ft here; but as long as I am established on a transition; why are they holding me high? This is a safety issue for me; as I am finding it almost impossible to intercept the glideslope prior to manni; the FAF.callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated the performance limitations of his aircraft make it very difficult to execute a safe; stabilized approach with salt lake center keeping him that high on the approach. When he requests lower altitude earlier in the procedure; center denies the request.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BE30 PLT RPTS ZLC KEEPS HIM TOO HIGH ON APCH TO BZN TO ALLOW A STABILIZED APCH.
Narrative: FOR THE SECOND TIME IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS; WHEN I HAVE BEEN CLEARED FOR THE ILS 12 AT BZN; SALT LAKE ATC HAS BEEN HOLDING ME VERY HIGH; MUCH HIGHER THAN THE MDA ON THE RESPECTIVE TRANSITIONS; AND ONLY 'CLEARING' ME FOR THE APPROACH (I.E. ALLOWING ME TO DESCEND TO THE MDA) AFTER TURNING INBOUND ON THE LOCALIZER. PROBLEM IS; THEY HAVE KEPT ME AT 12000 FT MSL UNTIL THAT POINT; AND THE MDA AT THAT PART OF THE APPROACH IS 6800 FT. SALT LAKE DID THIS TO ME ONCE WHILE FLYING THE 14 MILE DME ARC FROM THE NORTH; AND YESTERDAY WHILE ON THE HIA TRANSITION. IT IS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A STABILIZED APPROACH UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. I UNDERSTAND THAT ZLC LOSES RADAR COVERAGE BELOW 12000 FT HERE; BUT AS LONG AS I AM ESTABLISHED ON A TRANSITION; WHY ARE THEY HOLDING ME HIGH? THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE FOR ME; AS I AM FINDING IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO INTERCEPT THE GLIDESLOPE PRIOR TO MANNI; THE FAF.CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THE PERFORMANCE LIMITATIONS OF HIS ACFT MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO EXECUTE A SAFE; STABILIZED APCH WITH SALT LAKE CTR KEEPING HIM THAT HIGH ON THE APCH. WHEN HE REQUESTS LOWER ALT EARLIER IN THE PROC; CTR DENIES THE REQUEST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.