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Attributes | |
ACN | 721253 |
Time | |
Date | 200612 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : pdz.vortac |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : seavu |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 721253 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
On seavu arrival into lax runway 25R. ATC clearance to descend via seavu arrival. Aircraft in VNAV path. ATC then clears us to descend via the seavu arrival to runway 24R. As these arrivals are runway dependent; PF (captain) entered the new arrival into FMS and executed it. This caused the aircraft to go into V/south heading modes while computing the new patch. The restr was 16000 ft at trtle and the aircraft was descending into V/south not VNAV. When PF saw this he disconnected autoplt; and leveled the aircraft; returned to 16000 ft and rejoined the VNAV path approximately 1 mile later. The aircraft descended about 5000 ft below the restr before returning to 16000 ft. Remainder of flight was uneventful. No known conflicts or warning occurred. Perceptions: I think that the combination of runway specific programming of the FMS coupled with a change in arrival runway between two altitude restr fixes caused the problem. Looking back it might have been better to allow the arrival continue to the next point; trtle; before executing the change to FMS. Also; these particular arrivals are given as descend via but then ATC continually changes the required airspeed which can change the descent profile substantially; causing one to be temporarily off of the VNAV path.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757-200 CREW RPTS MISSING LAX SEAVU ONE ALT RESTRICTIONS AFTER BEING DISTRACTED WHILE ENTERING LAST MIN FMS ENTRIES FOR A RWY CHANGE.
Narrative: ON SEAVU ARRIVAL INTO LAX RWY 25R. ATC CLRNC TO DSND VIA SEAVU ARR. ACFT IN VNAV PATH. ATC THEN CLRS US TO DSND VIA THE SEAVU ARR TO RWY 24R. AS THESE ARRIVALS ARE RWY DEPENDENT; PF (CAPT) ENTERED THE NEW ARR INTO FMS AND EXECUTED IT. THIS CAUSED THE ACFT TO GO INTO V/S HDG MODES WHILE COMPUTING THE NEW PATCH. THE RESTR WAS 16000 FT AT TRTLE AND THE ACFT WAS DSNDING INTO V/S NOT VNAV. WHEN PF SAW THIS HE DISCONNECTED AUTOPLT; AND LEVELED THE ACFT; RETURNED TO 16000 FT AND REJOINED THE VNAV PATH APPROX 1 MILE LATER. THE ACFT DSNDED ABOUT 5000 FT BELOW THE RESTR BEFORE RETURNING TO 16000 FT. REMAINDER OF FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. NO KNOWN CONFLICTS OR WARNING OCCURRED. PERCEPTIONS: I THINK THAT THE COMBINATION OF RWY SPECIFIC PROGRAMMING OF THE FMS COUPLED WITH A CHANGE IN ARR RWY BETWEEN TWO ALT RESTR FIXES CAUSED THE PROB. LOOKING BACK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BETTER TO ALLOW THE ARR CONTINUE TO THE NEXT POINT; TRTLE; BEFORE EXECUTING THE CHANGE TO FMS. ALSO; THESE PARTICULAR ARRIVALS ARE GIVEN AS DSND VIA BUT THEN ATC CONTINUALLY CHANGES THE REQUIRED AIRSPD WHICH CAN CHANGE THE DSCNT PROFILE SUBSTANTIALLY; CAUSING ONE TO BE TEMPORARILY OFF OF THE VNAV PATH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.