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Attributes | |
ACN | 722932 |
Time | |
Date | 200701 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : sct.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : seavu |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 211 flight time type : 5500 |
ASRS Report | 722932 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 192 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 722927 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
First officer was flying the SEAVU1 RNAV arrival to lax. Approach (socal) cleared us to descend via the SEAVU1 to runway 24R. I read back that clearance. First officer heard the radio communication. When we switched to the next approach controller; he cleared us the ILS runway 25R after musik. When he said that; I queried him on the runway we were cleared to and he responded it was runway 25R. We were past luvyn on the arrival so he gave us a vector back to the course for runway 25R. The rest of the approach and landing were normal. Neither of us thought we were cleared to runway 25R from the previous controller and we both thought I had read back cleared for runway 24R. Traffic was light and it was VFR. The first officer had briefed a planned visual approach to runway 24R. We may have both simply heard what we wanted to hear from the first approach. We debriefed the event between each other after landing at lax. I will check in with the new approach control from now on with the intended runway to verify in the future instead of just stating company number at 12000 feet descending via the SEAVU1 (add 'for runway 24R').
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-700 FLT CREW HAS A CLOSE-IN RWY CHANGE ISSUED ON THE SEAVU ONE ARR TO LAX.
Narrative: FO WAS FLYING THE SEAVU1 RNAV ARRIVAL TO LAX. APPROACH (SOCAL) CLEARED US TO DESCEND VIA THE SEAVU1 TO RWY 24R. I READ BACK THAT CLEARANCE. FO HEARD THE RADIO COMMUNICATION. WHEN WE SWITCHED TO THE NEXT APPROACH CONTROLLER; HE CLEARED US THE ILS RWY 25R AFTER MUSIK. WHEN HE SAID THAT; I QUERIED HIM ON THE RUNWAY WE WERE CLEARED TO AND HE RESPONDED IT WAS RWY 25R. WE WERE PAST LUVYN ON THE ARRIVAL SO HE GAVE US A VECTOR BACK TO THE COURSE FOR RWY 25R. THE REST OF THE APPROACH AND LANDING WERE NORMAL. NEITHER OF US THOUGHT WE WERE CLEARED TO RWY 25R FROM THE PREVIOUS CONTROLLER AND WE BOTH THOUGHT I HAD READ BACK CLEARED FOR RWY 24R. TRAFFIC WAS LIGHT AND IT WAS VFR. THE FO HAD BRIEFED A PLANNED VISUAL APPROACH TO RWY 24R. WE MAY HAVE BOTH SIMPLY HEARD WHAT WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE FIRST APPROACH. WE DEBRIEFED THE EVENT BETWEEN EACH OTHER AFTER LANDING AT LAX. I WILL CHECK IN WITH THE NEW APPROACH CONTROL FROM NOW ON WITH THE INTENDED RUNWAY TO VERIFY IN THE FUTURE INSTEAD OF JUST STATING COMPANY NUMBER AT 12000 FEET DESCENDING VIA THE SEAVU1 (ADD 'FOR RWY 24R').
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.