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Attributes | |
ACN | 724675 |
Time | |
Date | 200701 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : rustt |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : civet 5 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 724675 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 724674 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were cleared to descend via civet 5 arrival. Around gramm or rustt intersection we were given runway 24R. We were set up for runway 25R. I was the PF. I asked the captain to make the change in the FMS for me. He selected the change. I have had problems in the past with last min changes while on this arrival. Just to ensure that the load changed I asked him to verify that it loaded ok by checking that the camdi intersection was showing in the legs page up-line. To get there; he had to select page two on the legs page. I noticed passing I think it was the rustt intersection and then looked to the legs page to see what altitude was next. Not seeing that the legs page was still in page two I saw an altitude (I think 12000 ft) to be set for the next step-down; which I had him set in. I continued in IAS 250 FPM descent; but subsequently noticed that things weren't adding up and figured out that we went below the civet bracket altitude of between 14000 and 15000 ft. I leveled off immediately and got reoriented to the proper altitude and got back on the profile descent. Approach never said anything; and we did not come close to any other aircraft. The late change; coupled with missing page two being shown on the legs page got me off profile. The captain was heads down; busy doing something when this occurred. I had the chart out; but relied on the legs page. In the future I'll try to have both pilots confirm; as we are supposed to; confirm altitude changes per the profile.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CREW MISSES CROSSING RESTR ON CIVET INTO LAX WHILE LOADING RWY CHANGE IN FMS.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO DSND VIA CIVET 5 ARR. AROUND GRAMM OR RUSTT INTXN WE WERE GIVEN RWY 24R. WE WERE SET UP FOR RWY 25R. I WAS THE PF. I ASKED THE CAPT TO MAKE THE CHANGE IN THE FMS FOR ME. HE SELECTED THE CHANGE. I HAVE HAD PROBS IN THE PAST WITH LAST MIN CHANGES WHILE ON THIS ARR. JUST TO ENSURE THAT THE LOAD CHANGED I ASKED HIM TO VERIFY THAT IT LOADED OK BY CHKING THAT THE CAMDI INTXN WAS SHOWING IN THE LEGS PAGE UP-LINE. TO GET THERE; HE HAD TO SELECT PAGE TWO ON THE LEGS PAGE. I NOTICED PASSING I THINK IT WAS THE RUSTT INTXN AND THEN LOOKED TO THE LEGS PAGE TO SEE WHAT ALT WAS NEXT. NOT SEEING THAT THE LEGS PAGE WAS STILL IN PAGE TWO I SAW AN ALT (I THINK 12000 FT) TO BE SET FOR THE NEXT STEP-DOWN; WHICH I HAD HIM SET IN. I CONTINUED IN IAS 250 FPM DSCNT; BUT SUBSEQUENTLY NOTICED THAT THINGS WEREN'T ADDING UP AND FIGURED OUT THAT WE WENT BELOW THE CIVET BRACKET ALT OF BETWEEN 14000 AND 15000 FT. I LEVELED OFF IMMEDIATELY AND GOT REORIENTED TO THE PROPER ALT AND GOT BACK ON THE PROFILE DSCNT. APCH NEVER SAID ANYTHING; AND WE DID NOT COME CLOSE TO ANY OTHER ACFT. THE LATE CHANGE; COUPLED WITH MISSING PAGE TWO BEING SHOWN ON THE LEGS PAGE GOT ME OFF PROFILE. THE CAPT WAS HEADS DOWN; BUSY DOING SOMETHING WHEN THIS OCCURRED. I HAD THE CHART OUT; BUT RELIED ON THE LEGS PAGE. IN THE FUTURE I'LL TRY TO HAVE BOTH PLTS CONFIRM; AS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO; CONFIRM ALT CHANGES PER THE PROFILE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.