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Attributes | |
ACN | 728367 |
Time | |
Date | 200702 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : anc.airport |
State Reference | AK |
Altitude | agl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a11.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : vfr |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a11.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : vfr |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : student pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 728367 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
This was a troubling incident that I feel requires action on ATC procedures. We were on a downwind vector for runway 7R at anc. Another aircraft was on a distant dogleg final for runway 7R. ATC cleared us for the visual approach from our downwind heading and told us that the other aircraft had us in sight and would follow us. This is all at night with no moon (but clear skies). Upon clearance for the visual; the captain (in my aircraft) extended his downwind leg another mi or two before turning base. The captain was also flying a conservative approach and was at 180 KIAS now 8 NM from the field. Before turning base; the other aircraft was about 6 NM away. After turning base; the other aircraft was about 2.5 NM away and all looked good. We then got a TA (surprisingly not an RA) and noticed the other aircraft off our left wing about 1000 ft. We turned away from them and then noticed his TCAS return rapidly drop back to 2 NM (he must have done an aggressive maneuver). Everyone landed uneventfully. The point I want to bring out in this is that at night; one cannot determine one's distance or closure to another aircraft nor the heading of another aircraft. The crew that said they would follow us had nothing but a few airplane lights to follow and he had no idea of the closure until too late. This could have been an near midair collision on a clear night. I would suggest that ATC not be allowed to issue follow another aircraft clrncs at night unless their headings are nearly aligned with the runway and the airspeed of the lead aircraft is given to the trailing aircraft as an advisory.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 PLT ON DOWNWIND TO ANC DESCRIBED TCAS TA EVENT AT 2500 DURING VISUAL APCH WHEN FOLLOWING TFC ACTIVATED TCAS.
Narrative: THIS WAS A TROUBLING INCIDENT THAT I FEEL REQUIRES ACTION ON ATC PROCS. WE WERE ON A DOWNWIND VECTOR FOR RWY 7R AT ANC. ANOTHER ACFT WAS ON A DISTANT DOGLEG FINAL FOR RWY 7R. ATC CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL APCH FROM OUR DOWNWIND HDG AND TOLD US THAT THE OTHER ACFT HAD US IN SIGHT AND WOULD FOLLOW US. THIS IS ALL AT NIGHT WITH NO MOON (BUT CLR SKIES). UPON CLRNC FOR THE VISUAL; THE CAPT (IN MY ACFT) EXTENDED HIS DOWNWIND LEG ANOTHER MI OR TWO BEFORE TURNING BASE. THE CAPT WAS ALSO FLYING A CONSERVATIVE APCH AND WAS AT 180 KIAS NOW 8 NM FROM THE FIELD. BEFORE TURNING BASE; THE OTHER ACFT WAS ABOUT 6 NM AWAY. AFTER TURNING BASE; THE OTHER ACFT WAS ABOUT 2.5 NM AWAY AND ALL LOOKED GOOD. WE THEN GOT A TA (SURPRISINGLY NOT AN RA) AND NOTICED THE OTHER ACFT OFF OUR L WING ABOUT 1000 FT. WE TURNED AWAY FROM THEM AND THEN NOTICED HIS TCAS RETURN RAPIDLY DROP BACK TO 2 NM (HE MUST HAVE DONE AN AGGRESSIVE MANEUVER). EVERYONE LANDED UNEVENTFULLY. THE POINT I WANT TO BRING OUT IN THIS IS THAT AT NIGHT; ONE CANNOT DETERMINE ONE'S DISTANCE OR CLOSURE TO ANOTHER ACFT NOR THE HDG OF ANOTHER ACFT. THE CREW THAT SAID THEY WOULD FOLLOW US HAD NOTHING BUT A FEW AIRPLANE LIGHTS TO FOLLOW AND HE HAD NO IDEA OF THE CLOSURE UNTIL TOO LATE. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AN NMAC ON A CLR NIGHT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ATC NOT BE ALLOWED TO ISSUE FOLLOW ANOTHER ACFT CLRNCS AT NIGHT UNLESS THEIR HDGS ARE NEARLY ALIGNED WITH THE RWY AND THE AIRSPD OF THE LEAD ACFT IS GIVEN TO THE TRAILING ACFT AS AN ADVISORY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.