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Elm local controller witnessed probable operational error at approximately 4000 when radar controller issued questionable vector.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 731716 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200703 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : elm.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 3300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : elm.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 24 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : elm.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : clearance delivery controller : ground controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller non radar : 16 controller radar : 16 flight time total : 10 |
| ASRS Report | 731716 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 700 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Aircraft #1 on approach (ILS runway 24) at elm descending out of 3300 ft MSL. Aircraft #2 on a vector (heading unknown). I brought it to the attention of the radar controller that it looked close and he turned the #2 aircraft to a 90 degree heading. The training here at elm is the worst I have ever seen in the FAA. Controllers' phraseology is atrocious; and uncorrected by management. We need unannounced evals of people working position to curb the apathetic behavior.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ELM LCL CTLR WITNESSED PROBABLE OPERROR AT APPROX 4000 WHEN RADAR CTLR ISSUED QUESTIONABLE VECTOR.
Narrative: ACFT #1 ON APCH (ILS RWY 24) AT ELM DSNDING OUT OF 3300 FT MSL. ACFT #2 ON A VECTOR (HDG UNKNOWN). I BROUGHT IT TO THE ATTN OF THE RADAR CTLR THAT IT LOOKED CLOSE AND HE TURNED THE #2 ACFT TO A 90 DEG HDG. THE TRAINING HERE AT ELM IS THE WORST I HAVE EVER SEEN IN THE FAA. CTLRS' PHRASEOLOGY IS ATROCIOUS; AND UNCORRECTED BY MGMNT. WE NEED UNANNOUNCED EVALS OF PEOPLE WORKING POS TO CURB THE APATHETIC BEHAVIOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.