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Attributes | |
ACN | 732415 |
Time | |
Date | 200703 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rjbb.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1200 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : rjbb.tracon tracon : a80.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 24 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain observation : company check pilot oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 732415 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : rjbb.airport |
Narrative:
Unsafe; unstabilized ILS approach procedure ILS or localizer runway 24 kix: the 21-2 and 21-2A ILS/localizer runway 24 procedure now contains 3 mandatory segment altitudes from the mayah IAF to the gsia 'feather' at 3.8 DME. The lowest is at just 1200 ft MSL (and AGL). To meet the lowest restr requires the use of idle power (flch) to descend to meet the crossing point and to slow to final approach speed -- all well below 2500 ft AGL. This entire procedure requires aggressive maneuvering of widebody transport aircraft dangerously close to the water; while operated by crews who are 16 hours off their body clock; and have had no effective deep sleep for the past 24 hours. This procedure is a CFIT accident waiting to happen. The recent addition of the 1200 ft mandatory altitude makes no sense. There is no air traffic conflict in the vicinity to my knowledge. This procedure is a throwback to the bad old days of the 1950's and DC6's. It is in complete violation of the cdap operating philosophy advocated by ICAO; flight safety; and other world-wide safety organizations. From a stabilized approach perspective; it is actually far safer to fly the VOR runway 24 approach procedure than the ILS runway 24 CAT 2.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT RPTS STEEP UNSTABILIZED DSCNT REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH CHARTED PROC ILS RWY 24 AT RJBB.
Narrative: UNSAFE; UNSTABILIZED ILS APCH PROC ILS OR LOC RWY 24 KIX: THE 21-2 AND 21-2A ILS/LOC RWY 24 PROC NOW CONTAINS 3 MANDATORY SEGMENT ALTS FROM THE MAYAH IAF TO THE GSIA 'FEATHER' AT 3.8 DME. THE LOWEST IS AT JUST 1200 FT MSL (AND AGL). TO MEET THE LOWEST RESTR REQUIRES THE USE OF IDLE PWR (FLCH) TO DSND TO MEET THE XING POINT AND TO SLOW TO FINAL APCH SPD -- ALL WELL BELOW 2500 FT AGL. THIS ENTIRE PROC REQUIRES AGGRESSIVE MANEUVERING OF WDB ACFT DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO THE WATER; WHILE OPERATED BY CREWS WHO ARE 16 HRS OFF THEIR BODY CLOCK; AND HAVE HAD NO EFFECTIVE DEEP SLEEP FOR THE PAST 24 HRS. THIS PROC IS A CFIT ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. THE RECENT ADDITION OF THE 1200 FT MANDATORY ALT MAKES NO SENSE. THERE IS NO AIR TFC CONFLICT IN THE VICINITY TO MY KNOWLEDGE. THIS PROC IS A THROWBACK TO THE BAD OLD DAYS OF THE 1950'S AND DC6'S. IT IS IN COMPLETE VIOLATION OF THE CDAP OPERATING PHILOSOPHY ADVOCATED BY ICAO; FLT SAFETY; AND OTHER WORLD-WIDE SAFETY ORGANIZATIONS. FROM A STABILIZED APCH PERSPECTIVE; IT IS ACTUALLY FAR SAFER TO FLY THE VOR RWY 24 APCH PROC THAN THE ILS RWY 24 CAT 2.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.