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Attributes | |
ACN | 733534 |
Time | |
Date | 200704 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zma.artcc |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 36000 msl bound upper : 38000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Beechjet 400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 733534 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were climbing to our assigned altitude of FL380 at a fairly good rate of 1500 FPM. Temperatures were holding and our weight; although heavy; was within the performance parameters of the airplane. Climbing through FL360; we noticed that the climb perf was suffering and the indicated airspeed was deteriorating. The climb rate was shallowed to 500 FPM in order to reach FL380. At this point; we noticed that the climb/rate leveled out at 0 FPM and the indicated airspeed was extremely slow. Power was increased 2 percent to maximum and the climb was re-established at a rate of 500 FPM until leveling off at FL380. The autopilot was in use at all times. What caused the problem was continuing to seek an aggressive climb rate above FL300. What can be done to prevent a recurrence is to more closely monitor outside air temperatures at 1000 foot intervals in the climb and/or whenever at higher altitude and indicated airspeeds are slower than 200 KIAS. We were advised to contact miami watch -- which we did upon landing -- and were told that this was an issue because an A319 was climbing behind us and the 1000 foot separation was not able to be maintained and; as our airspeed slowed; the other aircraft gained on us and the airspeed difference increased from 50 KTS to 140 KTS while the distance between aircraft decreased to 4.48 miles; and the altitude separation was reduced to 800 ft. While rvsm is great; maybe it should only be used when both aircraft are level or -- at least -- only one is climbing or descending? This matter was resolved over the telephone with miami watch and they indicated that no pilot deviation report would be filed. We appreciate being able to work this out amicably.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BE40'S CLB RATE AND SPD ABOVE FL360 CLBING TO FL380 DECREASED TO THE POINT THAT OTHER NORMALLY PERFORMING RVSM ACFT WERE DISRUPTED.
Narrative: WE WERE CLBING TO OUR ASSIGNED ALT OF FL380 AT A FAIRLY GOOD RATE OF 1500 FPM. TEMPERATURES WERE HOLDING AND OUR WT; ALTHOUGH HEAVY; WAS WITHIN THE PERFORMANCE PARAMETERS OF THE AIRPLANE. CLBING THROUGH FL360; WE NOTICED THAT THE CLB PERF WAS SUFFERING AND THE INDICATED AIRSPEED WAS DETERIORATING. THE CLB RATE WAS SHALLOWED TO 500 FPM IN ORDER TO REACH FL380. AT THIS POINT; WE NOTICED THAT THE CLB/RATE LEVELED OUT AT 0 FPM AND THE INDICATED AIRSPEED WAS EXTREMELY SLOW. POWER WAS INCREASED 2 PERCENT TO MAXIMUM AND THE CLB WAS RE-ESTABLISHED AT A RATE OF 500 FPM UNTIL LEVELING OFF AT FL380. THE AUTOPILOT WAS IN USE AT ALL TIMES. WHAT CAUSED THE PROB WAS CONTINUING TO SEEK AN AGGRESSIVE CLB RATE ABOVE FL300. WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT A RECURRENCE IS TO MORE CLOSELY MONITOR OUTSIDE AIR TEMPERATURES AT 1000 FOOT INTERVALS IN THE CLB AND/OR WHENEVER AT HIGHER ALTITUDE AND INDICATED AIRSPEEDS ARE SLOWER THAN 200 KIAS. WE WERE ADVISED TO CONTACT MIAMI WATCH -- WHICH WE DID UPON LNDG -- AND WERE TOLD THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE BECAUSE AN A319 WAS CLBING BEHIND US AND THE 1000 FOOT SEPARATION WAS NOT ABLE TO BE MAINTAINED AND; AS OUR AIRSPEED SLOWED; THE OTHER ACFT GAINED ON US AND THE AIRSPEED DIFFERENCE INCREASED FROM 50 KTS TO 140 KTS WHILE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN ACFT DECREASED TO 4.48 MILES; AND THE ALTITUDE SEPARATION WAS REDUCED TO 800 FT. WHILE RVSM IS GREAT; MAYBE IT SHOULD ONLY BE USED WHEN BOTH ACFT ARE LEVEL OR -- AT LEAST -- ONLY ONE IS CLBING OR DESCENDING? THIS MATTER WAS RESOLVED OVER THE TELEPHONE WITH MIAMI WATCH AND THEY INDICATED THAT NO PILOT DEVIATION RPT WOULD BE FILED. WE APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO WORK THIS OUT AMICABLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.