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Attributes | |
ACN | 736394 |
Time | |
Date | 200704 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : truck |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 18000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : charter |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude ground : maintenance |
Route In Use | departure sid : truck 4 enroute airway : zoa.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : charter |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 735394 |
Person 2 | |
Function | controller : local |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Company |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We had to get our clearance from reno FSS as we were unable to establish 2-WAY communication with ZOA on the ground at trk. The clearance we were given (by telephone) was: the TRK2 departure; sqw; fra; J7; fim; SADEE6 to lax. When I reviewed the SID; I saw it had a solid; bold line from truck to fmg; and no line at all from truck to sqw. I interpreted this as meaning the SID ended at fmg; not truck. (I realized later that the solid; bold line depicts part of a victor airway; and is not actually part of the SID.) even interping the SID that way; I was not sure they really wanted me to go that far northeast to fmg before turning south to sqw. I wanted to clarify this; but rather than call back to FSS by phone and have to relay my question to center; I elected to wait until we were airborne and ask center directly. After establishing communications with ZOA; I asked the controller if they wanted me to go all the way to fmg before turning to sqw. The controller did not respond to my question. A min later; when we were just getting to truck waypoint; I called again; and again got no response. Less than a min later; when we were about 5 NM northeast of truck; I called center and asked for a radio check. The controller responded by asking me to confirm we were proceeding direct to sqw. I stated I was completing the departure procedure to fmg; but we would turn now if she wanted us direct to sqw. The controller stated that the clearance was to sqw. In the next sector; we were told we had a possible pilot deviation and given a phone number to call. There were no traffic conflicts. In fact; there were no TCAS targets within 20 NM of us. I think the depiction of part of a victor airway should be deleted from the TRK2 SID as it is not an integral part of the procedure. Also; truckee gets a lot of jet traffic; and I think an rco is definitely warranted. It is too hard to get clarification relaying through FSS by telephone.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF MDT IS CONFUSED BY THE TRUCK SID GRAPHIC DEPICTION OUT OF TRK. TRACK DEV RESULTS.
Narrative: WE HAD TO GET OUR CLRNC FROM RENO FSS AS WE WERE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH 2-WAY COM WITH ZOA ON THE GND AT TRK. THE CLRNC WE WERE GIVEN (BY TELEPHONE) WAS: THE TRK2 DEP; SQW; FRA; J7; FIM; SADEE6 TO LAX. WHEN I REVIEWED THE SID; I SAW IT HAD A SOLID; BOLD LINE FROM TRUCK TO FMG; AND NO LINE AT ALL FROM TRUCK TO SQW. I INTERPED THIS AS MEANING THE SID ENDED AT FMG; NOT TRUCK. (I REALIZED LATER THAT THE SOLID; BOLD LINE DEPICTS PART OF A VICTOR AIRWAY; AND IS NOT ACTUALLY PART OF THE SID.) EVEN INTERPING THE SID THAT WAY; I WAS NOT SURE THEY REALLY WANTED ME TO GO THAT FAR NE TO FMG BEFORE TURNING S TO SQW. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS; BUT RATHER THAN CALL BACK TO FSS BY PHONE AND HAVE TO RELAY MY QUESTION TO CTR; I ELECTED TO WAIT UNTIL WE WERE AIRBORNE AND ASK CTR DIRECTLY. AFTER ESTABLISHING COMS WITH ZOA; I ASKED THE CTLR IF THEY WANTED ME TO GO ALL THE WAY TO FMG BEFORE TURNING TO SQW. THE CTLR DID NOT RESPOND TO MY QUESTION. A MIN LATER; WHEN WE WERE JUST GETTING TO TRUCK WAYPOINT; I CALLED AGAIN; AND AGAIN GOT NO RESPONSE. LESS THAN A MIN LATER; WHEN WE WERE ABOUT 5 NM NE OF TRUCK; I CALLED CTR AND ASKED FOR A RADIO CHK. THE CTLR RESPONDED BY ASKING ME TO CONFIRM WE WERE PROCEEDING DIRECT TO SQW. I STATED I WAS COMPLETING THE DEP PROC TO FMG; BUT WE WOULD TURN NOW IF SHE WANTED US DIRECT TO SQW. THE CTLR STATED THAT THE CLRNC WAS TO SQW. IN THE NEXT SECTOR; WE WERE TOLD WE HAD A POSSIBLE PLTDEV AND GIVEN A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL. THERE WERE NO TFC CONFLICTS. IN FACT; THERE WERE NO TCAS TARGETS WITHIN 20 NM OF US. I THINK THE DEPICTION OF PART OF A VICTOR AIRWAY SHOULD BE DELETED FROM THE TRK2 SID AS IT IS NOT AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE PROC. ALSO; TRUCKEE GETS A LOT OF JET TFC; AND I THINK AN RCO IS DEFINITELY WARRANTED. IT IS TOO HARD TO GET CLARIFICATION RELAYING THROUGH FSS BY TELEPHONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.