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Attributes | |
ACN | 738895 |
Time | |
Date | 200705 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1750 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Learjet 45 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : teb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 20 |
ASRS Report | 738895 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 676 flight time type : 281 |
ASRS Report | 739070 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
PF was using the FMS to identify the 4.5 teb DME fix on the teb 5 SID. The FMS identifies this fix as 4.5. It does not display distances from teb. PF confused this FMS fix 4.5 as distance from teb; and initiated climb from 1500 to 2000 ft. At 1750 ft departure identified diversion and corrected. Nowhere does this FMS show distance from teb. It would be best if the SID and the FMS identified this point with a 5 letter identifier; as opposed to 4.5. Another improvement would be to have the FMS display distance from the DME selected and tuned while in the FMS mode.callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the aircraft was a lear 45 and the FMS was a universal 1D which is different from the other FMC's in the fleet. The primary problem was inexperience with this FMC and not realizing that the teb VOR needed to be manually tuned and displayed on the PNF side to identify the 4.5 DME.supplemental information from acn 739070: after departing runway 24 at teb; we expedited the teb 5 SID. I maintained 1500 ft MSL until I read 4.5 DME on the pfd; unfortunately that 4.5 DME was the distance to the next fix (unnamed due to being my 4.5 DME from teb VOR). I saw the 4.5 DME being displayed and began a climb to 2000 ft MSL before actually reaching 4.5 DME from teb VOR.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LEAR 45 CREW CLBS EARLY ON THE TEB 5 DUE TO CONFUSION OVER THE 4.5 FIX DISPLAYED IN THE FMC.
Narrative: PF WAS USING THE FMS TO IDENTIFY THE 4.5 TEB DME FIX ON THE TEB 5 SID. THE FMS IDENTIFIES THIS FIX AS 4.5. IT DOES NOT DISPLAY DISTANCES FROM TEB. PF CONFUSED THIS FMS FIX 4.5 AS DISTANCE FROM TEB; AND INITIATED CLB FROM 1500 TO 2000 FT. AT 1750 FT DEP IDENTIFIED DIVERSION AND CORRECTED. NOWHERE DOES THIS FMS SHOW DISTANCE FROM TEB. IT WOULD BE BEST IF THE SID AND THE FMS IDENTIFIED THIS POINT WITH A 5 LETTER IDENTIFIER; AS OPPOSED TO 4.5. ANOTHER IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE TO HAVE THE FMS DISPLAY DISTANCE FROM THE DME SELECTED AND TUNED WHILE IN THE FMS MODE.CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE ACFT WAS A LEAR 45 AND THE FMS WAS A UNIVERSAL 1D WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER FMC'S IN THE FLEET. THE PRIMARY PROB WAS INEXPERIENCE WITH THIS FMC AND NOT REALIZING THAT THE TEB VOR NEEDED TO BE MANUALLY TUNED AND DISPLAYED ON THE PNF SIDE TO IDENTIFY THE 4.5 DME.SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 739070: AFTER DEPARTING RWY 24 AT TEB; WE EXPEDITED THE TEB 5 SID. I MAINTAINED 1500 FT MSL UNTIL I READ 4.5 DME ON THE PFD; UNFORTUNATELY THAT 4.5 DME WAS THE DISTANCE TO THE NEXT FIX (UNNAMED DUE TO BEING MY 4.5 DME FROM TEB VOR). I SAW THE 4.5 DME BEING DISPLAYED AND BEGAN A CLB TO 2000 FT MSL BEFORE ACTUALLY REACHING 4.5 DME FROM TEB VOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.